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Post by adrianc on Sept 16, 2019 21:09:23 GMT
Thanks, Martin, but it's true. I've never quite got verb endings.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 16, 2019 21:10:36 GMT
Sacre bleu, @garcondebracknell, il y a rien de probleme avec le referendum en deux parts. Tu est vrai une imbéciele grande! Grade C at O level, thank you very much. No public money wasted there. I am offended that you think I am truly a big imbecile. A grade at O level, but many years ago, and insufficient opportunity to practise. How’s your Walloon ? EDIT: I wish I‘d read the rest of the recent posts before putting pen to paper... still....
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 17, 2019 9:07:26 GMT
Looking at the No-Deal Brexit possibility, the Benn Act was confirmed by a last year retired Supreme Court Judge on Newsnight yesterday to be expertly drafted, and he confirmed what I said earlier, that even if it was not, if any contention about obeying this law came to court, the court would consider "the intention of Parliament" in the law, thus a legal challenge not be upheld.
If on the other hand the House of Commons passed the Withdrawal agreement, a two year extension of Single Market membership would kick in. So there is 0% chance of a No Deal Brexit on October 31st.
Therefore is the government not wasting our money with its billions in No Deal expenditure?
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Post by Godanubis on Sept 17, 2019 10:13:34 GMT
Everyone in Labour etc. Want the extension to actually be introduced before anything however if President Macron says “NON” result. No deal Exit. Boris resigns on 19th no way a National unity government can be formed in the 14 Days . Result No Deal Exit.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 17, 2019 10:21:13 GMT
Everyone in Labour etc. Want the extension to actually be introduced before anything however if President Macron says “NON” result. No deal Exit. Boris resigns on 19th no way a National unity government can be formed in the 14 Days . Result No Deal Exit. If Boris resigns as Conservative party leader, effective immediately, then the party would choose an interim leader, who would automatically be caretaker PM. This close to the last leadership election, the obvious candidate would have to be the runner-up, Raab, the man who did most of the work on the negotiations on May's deal after Davis spat the dummy. The Conservatives cannot resign as the party of government and force an election - only a vote of no confidence can do that.
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Post by r00lish67 on Sept 17, 2019 10:23:01 GMT
Looking at the No-Deal Brexit possibility, the Benn Act was confirmed by a last year retired Supreme Court Judge on Newsnight yesterday to be expertly drafted, and he confirmed what I said earlier, that even if it was not, if any contention about obeying this law came to court, the court would consider "the intention of Parliament" in the law, thus a legal challenge not be upheld. If on the other hand the House of Commons passed the Withdrawal agreement, a two year extension of Single Market membership would kick in. So there is 0% chance of a No Deal Brexit on October 31st. Therefore is the government not wasting our money with its billions in No Deal expenditure? Unfortunately it is still possible, as otherwise you wouldn't be able to practicably bet against it (current odds 1/5 ish). Unless you are of such firm conviction that you believe they're definitely wrong. In which case, a 20% return for 6 weeks waiting is at your beck and call! This said, the wasting of money in this area is horrific to watch and by most accounts not even being seriously undertaken in many areas (e.g. infrastructure at the border).
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 17, 2019 10:39:35 GMT
Everyone in Labour etc. Want the extension to actually be introduced before anything however if President Macron says “NON” result. No deal Exit. Boris resigns on 19th no way a National unity government can be formed in the 14 Days . Result No Deal Exit. If Boris resigns as Conservative party leader, effective immediately, then the party would choose an interim leader, who would automatically be caretaker PM. This close to the last leadership election, the obvious candidate would have to be the runner-up, Raab, the man who did most of the work on the negotiations on May's deal after Davis spat the dummy. The Conservatives cannot resign as the party of government and force an election - only a vote of no confidence can do that. Hunt was the runner up, Raab wasnt in the final 5, or is that supposed to be two options?
If Boris resigns as PM, then the Queen would invite a member of the Cabinet (Boris would normally recommend) to attempt to form a government. Parliament would then have to decide whether to NC and initiate the 14 days. If Boris doesnt get the Queens Speech through, that could also precipitate a confidence vote initiated by the government.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 17, 2019 10:41:08 GMT
good to see all those boxes of physical paper stacked up in the court room......
Edit: Given that the vast majority of that stuff no doubt started out in digital form, there must be a better way for courts to handle this stuff. I have some sympathy in that personally I often prefer reading hard copy and marking that up, but it can't be beyond the wit of man to use electronic methods surely ?
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Post by dan1 on Sept 17, 2019 10:56:01 GMT
I'm not saying you are sneering at my original post but you do seem unwilling to engage in rational debate, and that's a great shame. As I've said previously, it's incontrovertible that "the Prime Minister defies the law", and it's obviously a uncomfortable truth. I'm perfectly happy happy to engage in rational debate, but you last post appears to be a clasic case of playing the man and not the ball.
Your original post linked to an article that said that the PM had broken the law, and all I ask is justifiction for this. In reply your mantra is that he has said something that might suggest that at some time in the future under certain circumstances he may think about breaking the law (although this is denied by Conservative HQ). Just repeating the same thing time and time again doesn't make it a fact.
If you have evidence to support the claim that he has broken the law fine, if not probably best that we all move on.
No, it did not say that. p.s. apologies to all those putting up with this, I suspect this will go on for quite some time to come!
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Post by adrianc on Sept 17, 2019 10:56:44 GMT
Hunt was the runner up, Raab wasnt in the final 5, or is that supposed to be two options? No, just my abysmal memory. You are, of course, right.
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Post by dan1 on Sept 17, 2019 11:01:54 GMT
Looking at the No-Deal Brexit possibility, the Benn Act was confirmed by a last year retired Supreme Court Judge on Newsnight yesterday to be expertly drafted, and he confirmed what I said earlier, that even if it was not, if any contention about obeying this law came to court, the court would consider "the intention of Parliament" in the law, thus a legal challenge not be upheld. If on the other hand the House of Commons passed the Withdrawal agreement, a two year extension of Single Market membership would kick in. So there is 0% chance of a No Deal Brexit on October 31st. Therefore is the government not wasting our money with its billions in No Deal expenditure? I linked to this article a day or two ago. I'd recommend reading it in full but importantly... So, it would appear that the Commons could pass the WA, thereby satisfying the Benn Act, but subsequently not pass an Act to implement the WA.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 17, 2019 11:18:26 GMT
OK dan1, but if this was a foreseen possible outcome, the commons with Gvt maj of -42 will not pass a WA. Therefore letter has to be sent = no no deal.
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Post by r00lish67 on Sept 17, 2019 11:38:50 GMT
OK dan1 , but if this was a foreseen possible outcome, the commons with Gvt maj of -42 will not pass a WA. Therefore letter has to be sent = no no deal. True, but there's also just the 'unknown unknown' factors i.e. what 4D chess move will Mr. Cummings come up with next? The fact that a clearly stated position of the Government (31st Oct come what may) is considered a long shot by those willing to bet actual money on it is an astonishing state of affairs isn't it.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 17, 2019 11:57:12 GMT
Looking at the No-Deal Brexit possibility, the Benn Act was confirmed by a last year retired Supreme Court Judge on Newsnight yesterday to be expertly drafted, and he confirmed what I said earlier, that even if it was not, if any contention about obeying this law came to court, the court would consider "the intention of Parliament" in the law, thus a legal challenge not be upheld. If on the other hand the House of Commons passed the Withdrawal agreement, a two year extension of Single Market membership would kick in. So there is 0% chance of a No Deal Brexit on October 31st. Therefore is the government not wasting our money with its billions in No Deal expenditure? Unfortunately it is still possible, as otherwise you wouldn't be able to practicably bet against it (current odds 1/5 ish). Unless you are of such firm conviction that you believe they're definitely wrong. In which case, a 20% return for 6 weeks waiting is at your beck and call! This said, the wasting of money in this area is horrific to watch and by most accounts not even being seriously undertaken in many areas (e.g. infrastructure at the border). A better bet where you won't lose your whole stake is on FX rates. I (my company) has a 6 figure position in the pound, bought with Euros at 1.09. I'm not impartial when it comes to No Deal Brexits. Interested to know if any of you Brexiteers have similarly bet that if you get your wish, the pound goes down the s**tter?
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Post by adrianc on Sept 17, 2019 12:29:05 GMT
The fact that a clearly stated position of the Government (31st Oct come what may) is considered a long shot by those willing to bet actual money on it is an astonishing state of affairs isn't it. At any other time, it would be absolutely astonishing. But now? Nah, it's situation normal... I would love a time machine, to zip forward thirty years until all the paperwork is declassified...
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