r00lish67
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Post by r00lish67 on Sept 21, 2019 10:44:04 GMT
I think things are slightly different now:
- The DUP are no longer king makers, so they are having to be a bit more realistic in their demands, and
- It is obvious to the EU that BJ is serious with "no deal is better than a bad deal".
Except that BJ pursuing no deal would be against the law (unless specifically approved by Parliament, which clearly it won't be) Also, and I think we're just not going to agree here, I would argue the exact opposite i.e. it is obvious to the EU that BJ is not serious about No-Deal. Plus even if he were, he's very likely to be stopped from doing it as IFISAcava suggests.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 21, 2019 11:14:01 GMT
Except that BJ pursuing no deal would be against the law (unless specifically approved by Parliament, which clearly it won't be) Also, and I think we're just not going to agree here, I would argue the exact opposite i.e. it is obvious to the EU that BJ is not serious about No-Deal. Plus even if he were, he's very likely to be stopped from doing it as IFISAcava suggests. Only time will tell
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Post by cb25 on Sept 21, 2019 13:27:21 GMT
Now what was I saying? F F S It's an ongoing dystopian political nightmare, with each party trying to outdo themselves in unelectability. Can't you see that the voters are crying out for ideologically pure socialism? Only when class traitors like Watson are eliminated can The Party romp to victory. Watson survives for now. BBC reports "Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has quashed a motion at his party conference to oust his deputy, Tom Watson, by abolishing the position. Mr Corbyn suggested the role should be reviewed instead, and was backed by the ruling National Executive Committee, a Labour source said"
What with talk of nationalising industries, re-phrasing Clause 4 ( Express), abolishing private schools ( Independent), giving tenants the right to buy ( Metro), seems Labour are going hard-left at quite a rate.
Guardian reports some radical Labour proposals for debate in Brighton - Green New Deal, Abolish private schools, 4 day week (but 5 day pay, obviously), compulsory purchase of empty houses and rents linked to local income levels
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Post by adrianc on Sept 21, 2019 15:43:15 GMT
...giving tenants the right to buy ( Metro), seems Labour are going hard-left at quite a rate. ...and there was me, thinking RtB was a bad, right-wing thing... The desirability of home ownership depends who it's being bought from, it seems.
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Post by cb25 on Sept 21, 2019 15:59:01 GMT
...giving tenants the right to buy ( Metro), seems Labour are going hard-left at quite a rate. ...and there was me, thinking RtB was a bad, right-wing thing... The desirability of home ownership depends who it's being bought from, it seems. Right to Buy was the state selling houses voluntarily (I accept some local councils may have been against it, but they're part of the state and always overridden by central government). This policy is about the state forcing private individuals to sell their assets against their will, possibly at a discount.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 21, 2019 16:02:24 GMT
...and there was me, thinking RtB was a bad, right-wing thing... The desirability of home ownership depends who it's being bought from, it seems. Right to Buy was the state selling houses voluntarily (I accept some local councils may have been against it, but they're part of the state and always overridden by central government). This policy is about the state forcing private individuals to sell their assets against their will, possibly at a discount. Yes, quite. Instead of tenants having the right to buy their rented properties at a discount (bad), this is tenants having the right to buy their rented properties at a discount (good).
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Post by cb25 on Sept 21, 2019 16:15:09 GMT
Right to Buy was the state selling houses voluntarily (I accept some local councils may have been against it, but they're part of the state and always overridden by central government). This policy is about the state forcing private individuals to sell their assets against their will, possibly at a discount. Yes, quite. Instead of tenants having the right to buy their rented properties at a discount (bad), this is tenants having the right to buy their rented properties at a discount (good). Just because each scheme has the similarities of tenants wanting to purchase the property they rent, I don't see them as in anyway equivalent. Difference is - state's voluntary sale of something it owns: acceptable; state's forced sale of private assets it doesn't own: unacceptable (though occasionally necessary, e.g. compulsory purchase to build infrastructure but even then should be at full market price).
Anyway, if RtB was such a 'bad, right-wing thing' (to some), why didn't Labour overturn it in 1997? No mention of it being overturned here
If Labour implemented this, I think i) it would be tested in the courts, ii) it would kill the rental market stone cold dead.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Sept 21, 2019 16:41:13 GMT
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Post by cb25 on Sept 21, 2019 17:01:51 GMT
Would they expect young people to live at home while they saved up the deposit needed to buy a house? I'm aware many do this already, but seems to me that such a scheme would increase the numbers. Imo we need many more properties, both private and social.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 21, 2019 17:09:35 GMT
I have a feeling that might actually be their aim, y'know... Would they expect young people to live at home while they saved up the deposit needed to buy a house? I'm aware many do this already, but seems to me that such a scheme would increase the numbers. Imo we need many more properties, both private and social. You aren't actually under the impression this has been properly thought-through, are you?
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Post by cb25 on Sept 21, 2019 17:17:00 GMT
Would they expect young people to live at home while they saved up the deposit needed to buy a house? I'm aware many do this already, but seems to me that such a scheme would increase the numbers. Imo we need many more properties, both private and social. You aren't actually under the impression this has been properly thought-through, are you? I find a number of Labour's suggestions quite worrying. This is one, another is the 4-day week (for 5 days pay), because I could see them being attractive to millions of voters who might not realise possible repercussions.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 21, 2019 17:18:58 GMT
Reopen the typewriter factory and reinstate the Filofax workers. They've lost me somewhere along the way. Which is bad news for them, I think. I'm a typical floating voter. Will vote in the Labour-Green-LD spectrum. Not very interested in the internal workings of the parties, just looking at the candidates presented for the constituency and what they promise. The Labour candidate is actually a genuinely nice bloke, but knowing that he will be an outlier class traitor/Blairite in a party bossed by these People Front of Judea loonies. Well, it narrows the field for me and I predict that Labour will repeat their European Election triumph. Labour are in danger of coming third in a two party system.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 21, 2019 17:26:11 GMT
...because I could see them being attractive to millions of voters who might not realise possible repercussions. Yup, that's about the size of politics in the second half of the 2010s...
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 21, 2019 18:03:26 GMT
Slightly off topic, but I saw a wonderful article on the BBC web site yesterday.
The good people of Del boy country are concerned that their MP wants to become speaker, so the elite of Camberwell and Peckham constituency party had a vote on whether Harriet Harman should apply for the job. The vote finishe 21 - 21, but after a recount it was 26 - 22 against her applying.
Yes I read that and thought wt* : what were they using to count it ? A random number generator ??
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 21, 2019 18:09:20 GMT
Yes, quite. Instead of tenants having the right to buy their rented properties at a discount (bad), this is tenants having the right to buy their rented properties at a discount (good). Just because each scheme has the similarities of tenants wanting to purchase the property they rent, I don't see them as in anyway equivalent. ...
I think he got that - his original post was ironic commentary on the relative stances of the proposers, not a statement regarding equivalence of the policies.
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