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Post by macq on Dec 17, 2019 22:52:22 GMT
Re MMU, do I need to remind people that Dominic Raab, who is as thick as porcine poop, went to both Oxford and Cambridge? At first i thought MMU was the Mighty Marvel Universe and had visions of Howard The Duck as next Labour leader but then realised that is not sensible compared to some of the other choices
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 18, 2019 8:54:34 GMT
Re MMU, do I need to remind people that Dominic Raab, who is as thick as porcine poop, went to both Oxford and Cambridge?Did he ? You'd have thought he'd focus on his own constituency during the campaign, rather than be let loose supporting others. Still, that might explain why they both bucked the trend with the latter being a Lab hold and the former being East/West Lab/LD hold
Oh look, Mr. "I didn't realise how important Dover was" even has his own domain: https://dominicraab.com
For a moment I got all excited, as one of the pages is labelled "Core Convictions". If only.
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 18, 2019 9:07:10 GMT
Re MMU, do I need to remind people that Dominic Raab, who is as thick as porcine poop, went to both Oxford and Cambridge?Did he ? You'd have thought he'd focus on his own constituency during the campaign, rather than be let loose supporting others. Still, that might explain why they both bucked the trend with the latter being a Lab hold and the former being East/West Lab/LD hold
Oh look, Mr. "I didn't realise how important Dover was" even has his own domain: https://dominicraab.com
For a moment I got all excited, as one of the pages is labelled "Core Convictions". If only.
If you look at the non-blue parts of the English/Welsh map, it does seem to focus on university towns. Reminds us that the Tory/UKIP/Brexit party vote is massively reduced in the young and educated demographic.
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Post by keitha on Dec 18, 2019 9:19:16 GMT
Did he ? You'd have thought he'd focus on his own constituency during the campaign, rather than be let loose supporting others. Still, that might explain why they both bucked the trend with the latter being a Lab hold and the former being East/West Lab/LD hold
Oh look, Mr. "I didn't realise how important Dover was" even has his own domain: https://dominicraab.com
For a moment I got all excited, as one of the pages is labelled "Core Convictions". If only.
If you look at the non-blue parts of the English/Welsh map, it does seem to focus on university towns. Reminds us that the Tory/UKIP/Brexit party vote is massively reduced in the young and educated demographic. or young and indoctrinated
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 18, 2019 9:25:45 GMT
If you look at the non-blue parts of the English/Welsh map, it does seem to focus on university towns. Reminds us that the Tory/UKIP/Brexit party vote is massively reduced in the young and educated demographic. or young and indoctrinated and told by their lecturers to read and believe in the Guardian.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 9:31:52 GMT
If you want a good working class lad, educated at Oxford with strong internationalist credentials (key for momentum people) then Kier is the man.
Radio 4 this am discussed "does Kier have a northern enough accent to get elected?"
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 18, 2019 9:32:01 GMT
Anyone on the thread been in a university recently? I mean you must have some evidence for the allegations that universities indoctrinate students with left wing propaganda and that students are not able to think critically for themselves, right? And that indoctrination is confined just to the left and to universities?
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 18, 2019 9:33:51 GMT
If you want a good working class lad, educated at Oxford with strong internationalist credentials (key for momentum people) then Kier is the man.
Radio 4 this am discussed "does Kier have a northern enough accent to get elected?" Lack of a Northern accent didn't seem to harm BJ too much
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 18, 2019 9:35:56 GMT
If you want a good working class lad, educated at Oxford with strong internationalist credentials (key for momentum people) then Kier is the man.
Radio 4 this am discussed "does Kier have a northern enough accent to get elected?" Also, KS was only a postgraduate at Oxford - not sure if that counts in the elected PM stats - hasn't been formally tested. High risk, but few other choices.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 18, 2019 9:55:08 GMT
Anyone on the thread been in a university recently? I mean you must have some evidence for the allegations that universities indoctrinate students with left wing propaganda and that students are not able to think critically for themselves, right? And that indoctrination is confined just to the left and to universities? Well only 2 people in the thread have actually drawn that inference, certainly at least in response to my post, so painting all in the same vein is hardly justified.
Still, I would politely suggest that the phrase "Reminds us that the Tory/UKIP/Brexit party vote is massively reduced in the young and educated demographic." was rather a red rag to a herd of bulls, and bound to draw a response, given what would be construed as an intended flip-side ("its only the old and thick that would.....").
Personally, I'd suggest not indoctrinated, nor anything much to do with education, but rather "young and idealistic" are more likely to vote to the left-of-centre. But still, that would hardly be the most incisive of political insights to be made in the last 50 years.
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Post by keitha on Dec 18, 2019 10:04:13 GMT
Anyone on the thread been in a university recently? I mean you must have some evidence for the allegations that universities indoctrinate students with left wing propaganda and that students are not able to think critically for themselves, right? And that indoctrination is confined just to the left and to universities? Have a son who went to university, also I see children of friends go to, and come back indoctrinated, Professor X says I come from a middle/working class background so I must support labour. A bit like the idiot who knocked on my door during the election and tried to tell me because I live in Welsh Valleys I must be working class therefore it's my duty to vote labour ( think that attitude cost them across the country ) :- A) I don't like being told what to do B) I don't consider myself working class C) A student type ( which he was ) doesn't have my life experience, and the mess the country has been left in by labour governments. When I did A levels in the 70's we were taught then to learn for ourselves, and that our ability who come through. Now you have students suing universities because they didn't get the degree they wanted. see thetab.com/uk/cardiff/2019/11/05/university-of-south-wales-student-sues-uni-for-200000-after-getting-a-grade-he-didnt-like-44846 as an example
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Post by adrianc on Dec 18, 2019 10:08:21 GMT
Still, I would politely suggest that the phrase " Reminds us that the Tory/UKIP/Brexit party vote is massively reduced in the young and educated demographic." was rather a red rag to a herd of bulls, and bound to draw a response, given what would be construed as an intended flip-side ("its only the old and thick that would....."). Depends if you believe "thick" is the antonym of "educated". But one thing is true - age and "social class" were solidly related to voting direction - those most likely to vote Tory were 65+yo C2. DE and AB were pretty much equally unlikely to vote Tory.
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Post by keitha on Dec 18, 2019 10:14:53 GMT
there will be no proper analysis of the figures for months, it also raises the question if it's a secret ballot how do they know ! adrianc chart also shows AB & C2 least likely to vote Labour. DE most likely to vote Labour, but given Labour tends to favour the low/un skilled and unemployed that's to be expected
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Post by KoR_Wraith on Dec 18, 2019 10:21:51 GMT
I graduated 8 years ago and witnessed very little political messaging of any persuasion during my time at university, most certainly not a direct word from any lecturers.
I'd imagine many students have a similar experience if not directly involved with student politics; the vast majority of us walked past any demonstrations and put the inevitable flyer in the next bin with only a cursory glance.
It's only after my experience in 'the real world' and exposure to the individuals of the ERG/Brexit party that my views have shifted leftwards. The Conservative party leadership of today bears little resemblence to the leadership of 5 years ago.
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Post by dan1 on Dec 18, 2019 10:30:47 GMT
If you want a good working class lad, educated at Oxford with strong internationalist credentials (key for momentum people) then Kier is the man.
Radio 4 this am discussed "does Kier have a northern enough accent to get elected?" Also, KS was only a postgraduate at Oxford - not sure if that counts in the elected PM stats - hasn't been formally tested. High risk, but few other choices. KS may struggle to get on the ballot paper due to the need to secure support from grassroots, which is controlled by Momentum and the Unions.
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