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Post by cb25 on Jan 16, 2020 16:52:09 GMT
BBC reporting "The BBC has announced plans for a year-long series of special programming and coverage on climate change. A raft of news services and shows are planned as part of the Our Planet Matters project. ... In a new series for BBC Two, Ade Adepitan travels to countries on the frontline of climate change to find out what humanity is doing.."
No doubt the BBC will be flying Ade and co. to countries to show what harm flying etc. is doing. Perhaps I'll stop flying when the BBC do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 16:53:52 GMT
Just send charity money to Woodland trust and nag the back legs off the BBC to make them do so as well.
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Post by mrk on Jan 16, 2020 16:58:55 GMT
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Post by mrk on Jan 16, 2020 17:01:35 GMT
BBC reporting "The BBC has announced plans for a year-long series of special programming and coverage on climate change. A raft of news services and shows are planned as part of the Our Planet Matters project. ... In a new series for BBC Two, Ade Adepitan travels to countries on the frontline of climate change to find out what humanity is doing.."
No doubt the BBC will be flying Ade and co. to countries to show what harm flying etc. is doing. Perhaps I'll stop flying when the BBC do.
A bit further down in the same article: How is the BBC doing on its own climate targets? According to the BBC press office, the corporation reduced its carbon footprint by 78% last year by purchasing renewable electricity to match that used at major sites and is on track to remove all single-use plastics from BBC sites by the end of 2020. The corporation now aims to go carbon neutral and has launched a project to identify what action is needed and how quickly it can be achieved. "We're committed to responsible travel policies including only travelling when necessary, using technology such as videoconferencing, improving the fuel efficiency of our vehicle fleet and introducing electric vehicles," a statement reads. "Currently one of our contractors offsets CO2 emissions on our flights with them and we are exploring whether there's scope to do more." BBC Director of News, Fran Unsworth, said: "We are very aware of our own impact on the environment and our responsible travel policy means we only fly when necessary."
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Post by Steerpike on Jan 16, 2020 17:29:26 GMT
I have no need for EastEnders, Mrs Brown's Boys, Casualty, Holby City, or Doctor Who and consume almost no BBC output so I am not really interested in the latest BBC campaign, however, I would very much like the BBC tax to be discontinued. I object to being forced by threat of criminal prosecution to subsidise the BBC salary bill for the likes of Gary Linecker, Graham Norton, and Claudia Winkleman simply because I choose to pay for live Sky TV.
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Post by pip on Jan 16, 2020 17:36:30 GMT
I do get worried that many people seem to think that being a good person is about thinking a particular way irrespective on whether that way has a basis in fact or even what that person does.
I do get fed up of this hugely oversimplified splitting of society between climate change believers and doubters, with believers being good and doubters being bad. I sit somewhere in the middle, I think having 7 billion people on a planet all randomly changing the world and doing stuff is likely to end in disaster, how, why, when not exactly sure but sure it will happen. Will it be a nuclear war, starvation, pandemic, runaway climate change not sure but sure something dire at some point will happen. Not totally convinced that of all these potential dire causes of our demise climate change is number one or even the thing we can most do something about. Also there is a bit in the back of my head that thinks, oh well, if we are going to all die in 10 years in a great fireball then so be it. I actually probably am very green in a conventional sense, I compost all I can, grow my own vegetables, don't drive much, keep bees. I wouldn't in any way claim that any of these makes me a good person, I just quite enjoy composting etc.
As somebody that has done the 12 step programme, there is a bit on the back that says 'God give me the power to understand the things I can change, things I cannot, and the power to know the difference'. Of course with anything environment we can do our little bit, not chucking my McDonalds out the window of my car is a top one that a lot of people don't grasp, but if climate change is going to be a disaster I will not change it. I think what the phrase is really saying is that focus your energy on things that you can change, don't get overly wrapped up in trying to change the world before you have learnt to tidy your room. Jordan Pieterson says something similar, before you start lecturing people on how the world should change, you better make damn sure you have sorted your affairs out first. Sometimes people try to absolve themselves of their own bad life decisions by criticising the macro issues in life. Not got a job, have an alcohol dependency, not spoken to your children in years...probably start sorting those our first before you get into re-modelling the entire way the western world has operated for the last 200 years.
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 16, 2020 18:03:40 GMT
Sigh. I think we all know where this thread is going. I’m pretty sure the poll would reverse if the forum demographic changed. Are you saying that I shouldn't start my "Why do gammons love Brexit, hate Greta Thunberg, and think Donald Trump is a swell kind of guy" poll?
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Post by mrk on Jan 16, 2020 18:17:07 GMT
Sigh. I think we all know where this thread is going. I’m pretty sure the poll would reverse if the forum demographic changed. I didn't actually vote because of the word "campaign" in the title. I'm certainly in favour of the BBC "reporting" on climate, not of "campaigning". But then I'm sure we have different opinions on what qualifies as which.
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Post by pip on Jan 16, 2020 21:54:03 GMT
Sigh. I think we all know where this thread is going. I’m pretty sure the poll would reverse if the forum demographic changed. I didn't actually vote because of the word "campaign" in the title. I'm certainly in favour of the BBC "reporting" on climate, not of "campaigning". But then I'm sure we have different opinions on what qualifies as which. Mrk. Thanks for your opinion. I totally understand why you may think the term campaigning is leading. They are doing a year of programming dedicated to it with seemingly a very set theme. This seems more than just news reporting to me but I guess when people come from different starting points what for somebody may seem just reporting the facts can seem to others pushing a message. Appreciate your viewpoint.
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Post by mrk on Jan 16, 2020 23:24:22 GMT
Mrk. Thanks for your opinion. I totally understand why you may think the term campaigning is leading. They are doing a year of programming dedicated to it with seemingly a very set theme. This seems more than just news reporting to me but I guess when people come from different starting points what for somebody may seem just reporting the facts can seem to others pushing a message. Appreciate your viewpoint. Couple more climate stories in my news aggregator of choice since my last post. Microsoft announced today that they aim to be carbon negative by 2030. Earlier this week the BlackRock CEO announced they'll "place sustainability at the center of our investment approach" and exit "investments that present a high sustainability-related risk, such as thermal coal producers". That's the third largest company in the world by market cap, and the world’s largest fund manager. Not some sort of socialist revolutionaries. The world is changing folks. As an investor I'd say ignore the changes at your peril.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 9:38:43 GMT
Why is there a negative view about deniers?
Imagine you are in a partially flooded life boat on an ocean. Some people are bailing the water out, while others are bailing it in. By denying the crisis you are bailing it in.
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Post by pip on Jan 17, 2020 9:58:21 GMT
Why is there a negative view about deniers? Imagine you are in a partially flooded life boat on an ocean. Some people are bailing the water out, while others are bailing it in. By denying the crisis you are bailing it in. Bobo - The analogy is not correct. I am sceptical of some aspects of the climate change. However I am very very green in many senses, I compost all my waste, I grow my own vegetables, I barely drive, I rarely travel etc. I don't claim I am virtuous or a good person for any of these things. Many people who say the right thing on climate change may often live lives that are in no way aligned with what they say. You don't bail out water by saying "somebody needs to bail this water out", you bail it out by getting a bucket and getting to work. I think it is perfectly fine for me to do a lot of things that people who espouse the importance of climate change as an issue, but for other reasons, and still have a healthy scepticism for some of the claims.
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Post by samford71 on Jan 17, 2020 10:03:04 GMT
I don’t see this as “campaigning”. It seems instead to be the reporting on a subject that is part of the scientific consensus (supported by 90-95% of scientists). It’s equivalent to saying that Brian Cox’s series “Wonders of the Universe” is “campaigning” for the laws of thermodynamics, quantum field theory and general relativity. The BBC should be basing it’s scientific reporting on the scientific consensus. When that consensus changes, they can change their reporting.
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Post by pip on Jan 17, 2020 12:38:09 GMT
I don’t see this as “campaigning”. It seems instead to be the reporting on a subject that is part of the scientific consensus (supported by 90-95% of scientists). It’s equivalent to saying that Brian Cox’s series “Wonders of the Universe” is “campaigning” for the laws of thermodynamics, quantum field theory and general relativity. The BBC should be basing it’s scientific reporting on the scientific consensus. When that consensus changes, they can change their reporting. I don’t see a year of programming on the laws of thermodynamics? In fact I would quite like for the bbc to commission some programs that went into the detailed science of how the climate system works. Having a presenter standing in front of a piece of ice falling off a glacier though and saying look it’s melting....does not quality as science. I would be 100% in favour of the BBC really providing educational programs, I suspect these won’t be it they will have one aim to alarm the public and change public sentiment. This is why I class the programs as campaigning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 13:10:41 GMT
Why is there a negative view about deniers? Imagine you are in a partially flooded life boat on an ocean. Some people are bailing the water out, while others are bailing it in. By denying the crisis you are bailing it in. Bobo - The analogy is not correct. I am sceptical of some aspects of the climate change. However I am very very green in many senses, I compost all my waste, I grow my own vegetables, I barely drive, I rarely travel etc. I don't claim I am virtuous or a good person for any of these things. Many people who say the right thing on climate change may often live lives that are in no way aligned with what they say. You don't bail out water by saying "somebody needs to bail this water out", you bail it out by getting a bucket and getting to work. I think it is perfectly fine for me to do a lot of things that people who espouse the importance of climate change as an issue, but for other reasons, and still have a healthy scepticism for some of the claims. The analogy is perfect, that is why we sometimes get sucked into disrespect.
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