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Post by registerme on Apr 29, 2021 16:21:00 GMT
All the guardian and supporters attacks seem to have the opposite effect to what they are hoping for. What was that old story about crying wolf?
Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought even (especially) died in the wool Tories valued probity in government?
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Post by adrianc on Apr 29, 2021 16:25:54 GMT
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Post by JamesFrance on Apr 29, 2021 16:44:56 GMT
All the guardian and supporters attacks seem to have the opposite effect to what they are hoping for. What was that old story about crying wolf?
Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought even (especially) died in the wool Tories valued probity in government? If you mean me that has not applied since election night in 1979 when our then MP Jock Bruce Gardyne called into our house to have a drink to celebrate the exit polls. However every labour government has been useless so I don't support any party. I do however think left wingers are pretty unpleasant individuals and not to be trusted either.
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Post by captainconfident on Apr 29, 2021 16:51:36 GMT
Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought even (especially) died in the wool Tories valued probity in government? If you mean me that has not applied since election night in 1979 when our then MP Jock Bruce Gardyne called into our house to have a drink to celebrate the exit polls. However every labour government has been useless so I don't support any party. I do however think left wingers are pretty unpleasant individuals and not to be trusted either. Moderate people are kept out of politics by the left-right two party system. Unfortunately it's in both these parties' interest to keep it that way.
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Post by ozboy on Apr 29, 2021 22:53:52 GMT
Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought even (especially) died in the wool Tories valued probity in government? If you mean me that has not applied since election night in 1979 when our then MP Jock Bruce Gardyne called into our house to have a drink to celebrate the exit polls. However every labour government has been useless so I don't support any party. I do however think left wingers are pretty unpleasant individuals and not to be trusted either.Gotta agree, serious Lefties are FAR more dangerous and "fascist" than Right Wingers. Freedom of Speech would be the first thing out the window. In fact, the Extreme Left Wing are so Right Wing they don't even know it! 🤣
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Post by adrianc on Apr 30, 2021 7:10:53 GMT
Gotta agree, serious Lefties are FAR more dangerous and "fascist" than Right Wingers. Umm, I don't think that word means what you think it does... www.dictionary.com/browse/fascist"a person who ... has extreme right-wing views."The extreme left are communist, not fascist. Amongst other human rights. In fact, it's the protection of human rights for those who disagree with the establishment which is one of the very defining factors of both ends of the political extremes. Thank goodness we don't have any politicians who want to repeal the human rights legislation that's been in place in this country since the 50s. Oh, hold on. Yes, the two extremes of the political spectrum often meet round the back. There's various broad-brush political areas where it's been quite visible in this country in recent times...
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Post by jonno on Apr 30, 2021 9:02:00 GMT
Gotta agree, serious Lefties are FAR more dangerous and "fascist" than Right Wingers. Umm, I don't think that word means what you think it does... www.dictionary.com/browse/fascist"a person who ... has extreme right-wing views."The extreme left are communist, not fascist. Amongst other human rights. In fact, it's the protection of human rights for those who disagree with the establishment which is one of the very defining factors of both ends of the political extremes. Thank goodness we don't have any politicians who want to repeal the human rights legislation that's been in place in this country since the 50s. Oh, hold on. Yes, the two extremes of the political spectrum often meet round the back. There's various broad-brush political areas where it's been quite visible in this country in recent times... Mmm; I strongly suspect, and would respectfully suggest that ozboy knew exactly what he meant when he was writing his post!
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Post by adrianc on Apr 30, 2021 9:22:34 GMT
Did I reply before sufficient caffeine intake?
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Post by registerme on Apr 30, 2021 9:35:56 GMT
Did I reply before sufficient caffeine intake? Yup .
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Post by ozboy on Apr 30, 2021 13:52:25 GMT
Umm, I don't think that word means what you think it does... www.dictionary.com/browse/fascist"a person who ... has extreme right-wing views."The extreme left are communist, not fascist. Amongst other human rights. In fact, it's the protection of human rights for those who disagree with the establishment which is one of the very defining factors of both ends of the political extremes. Thank goodness we don't have any politicians who want to repeal the human rights legislation that's been in place in this country since the 50s. Oh, hold on. Yes, the two extremes of the political spectrum often meet round the back. There's various broad-brush political areas where it's been quite visible in this country in recent times... Mmm; I strongly suspect, and would respectfully suggest that ozboy knew exactly what he meant when he was writing his post! The nuanced use of Quotation Marks is not always obvious to everyone.
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 30, 2021 17:53:59 GMT
Mmm; I strongly suspect, and would respectfully suggest that ozboy knew exactly what he meant when he was writing his post! The nuanced use of Quotation Marks is not always obvious to everyone. And the dictionary definition quoted was rather selective too. The word can also mean simply dictatorial. The (essentially) communist N.Korea is led by one who exhibits several characteristics of a fascist.
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Post by JamesFrance on May 1, 2021 7:15:46 GMT
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Post by keitha on May 1, 2021 9:19:42 GMT
Interesting how many here regard Boris as very right wing, I have friends in the US who say he's level with or possibly a fraction to the left of Biden, they regard Starmer as practically a communist ( and sturgeon definately so ) and as to Corbyn ...
Funnily I see politics as circular like a clock, If you go Far enough left you end up on the right and vice versa.
I personally thought a lot of Bliars ideas we about as far right as the blessed Margarets.
as to cronyism and helping my back yard if you think Boris is bad try this labour mob in Wales...
As an aside on that I was talking to a friend the other day and he said that He hated Drakeford, and Gething, he felt Labour had totally messed up in Wales on the NHS, education etc, so I asked oh who will you vote for then His answer "labour because that's the party working people vote for" and that's another reason we won't get away from the tribalism in UK politics. It should be apparent to many of you where my political allegiance lies, yet this time I will not be voting for any of the right of centre parties. I've studied the policies etc of all the main parties in Wales ( Ignoring the likes of Propel etc ) and decided what would be best for me and Wales is a Plaid government.
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Post by agent69 on May 1, 2021 9:27:00 GMT
Interesting how many here regard Boris as very right wing, I have friends in the US who say he's level with or possibly a fraction to the left of Biden, they regard Starmer as practically a communist ( and sturgeon definately so ) and as to Corbyn ... Funnily I see politics as circular like a clock, If you go Far enough left you end up on the right and vice versa. I personally thought a lot of Bliars ideas we about as far right as the blessed Margarets. as to cronyism and helping my back yard if you think Boris is bad try this labour mob in Wales... As an aside on that I was talking to a friend the other day and he said that He hated Drakeford, and Gething, he felt Labour had totally messed up in Wales on the NHS, education etc, so I asked oh who will you vote for then His answer " labour because that's the party working people vote for" and that's another reason we won't get away from the tribalism in UK politics. It should be apparent to many of you where my political allegiance lies, yet this time I will not be voting for any of the right of centre parties. I've studied the policies etc of all the main parties in Wales ( Ignoring the likes of Propel etc ) and decided what would be best for me and Wales is a Plaid government. According to recent surveys, lots of working people will continue to vote Tory at next weeks elections. The single biggest driving force for this is Keir Starmer, who doesn't appear to be impressing too many people (Don't think his recent well publicised trip to John Lewis to look at wall paper won him too many fans).
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2021 9:47:19 GMT
Interesting how many here regard Boris as very right wing Boris doesn't have a single principle to his name. The people pulling his strings are the further-right end of a Tory party that's moved rightwards in recent years, especially with Boris's "night of the long knives" in September 2019. US politics are very, very far right by the standards of the rest of the world. I mean, they regard universal healthcare and not shooting each other as positively communist.
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