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Post by adrianc on Oct 27, 2021 14:30:49 GMT
I stand by the MOT mileage idea. Odometers I think are much hard to "clock" as they are digitally controlled. You'd also have to clock them every year for consistency. Not all are... Remember, unless you're just bringing in another "applies to new cars from now on only" reform, you're looking at something that covers all <40yo vehicles on the road. Even on digital stuff, have a look on eBay for "mileage correction" or "odometer correction". Under £50 to get your car clocked, umpteen people doing it. The hardware to do it is only a few hundred quid. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333167714315And these are just the blatant, stupid people. Imagine how many just do it through personal local contacts. All those cars going back after limited-mileage PCP and lease contracts... Fuel duty is certainly possible - but remember the move to EVs. How do you tax "fuel" in those? That's what's REALLY going to hurt the exchequer, not VED. Roughly £28bn/yr pre-'vid, compared to £6.5bn VED.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 15:29:29 GMT
you can't tax what you never had, 1937 is the last time anyone paid road tax in the UK
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 27, 2021 19:36:40 GMT
Scrap the road tax and put it all on fuel, that targets the heavy users. As in the analogy of bernythedolt above, if you don't want the standing charge put it all on the rate instead. Ahhh but he's already replied to that idea. I think I agree with you though. Paying for the ability to use something without actually using it is interesting. Does that mean I should contribute to the cost of private jet hire as I could go and hire one ? I stand by the MOT mileage idea. Odometers I think are much hard to "clock" as they are digitally controlled. You'd also have to clock them every year for consistency. That isn't quite what I said though. 😉 I'm talking of those low annual mileage drivers. Their contribution is more geared towards their VED, the standing charge, and that's how it should be IMHO. Like those who use a tiny amount of electricity. It's only fair that they should still contribute towards the cost of maintaining the infrastructure, ie. the standing charge. They benefit from the provision of that infrastructure just as much as everyone else. I'm a low mileage driver these days, but I think it only fair that I contribute by way of VED, as well as my relatively small fuel duty compared to others.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Oct 27, 2021 20:03:35 GMT
Not to keen on the milage mot idea as my decrepit old merc van has not had a working mileometer since i purchased it 7 years ago and a replacement dash pod is prob 4 times the value of the entire van.I give vans a very hard low milage life , fish bait , garden rubbish ect means the next owner from me is always a scap yard. Main other car has done 19000 miles in 7 years, the boss considers the merc unsuitable to be seen in in social company, any company in fact.
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Post by dave4 on Oct 27, 2021 22:31:42 GMT
Actually modern cars odometers are actually easier to "clock" now they are digital. A device can be easily purchased and fitted (its just a patch lead) which effectively slows down the count (20/25% ish).
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 28, 2021 6:58:03 GMT
ok I may have been getting a bit carried away , but 45p does NOT cover running cost per mile. that depends on the age and type of vehicle you drive and your costs for service. I would be surprised if for most reasonable vehicles which have dual usage as business and personal transport it did not cover the costs.
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Post by mogish on Oct 28, 2021 7:13:36 GMT
The point t I was making was using your car on business accelerates wear and in my opinion the 45p doesnt cover this wear. After using my car for work purposes I started to have more regular repairs done. Journeys were mainly to recycling centres down rough roads so my belief is the suspension related repairs happened earlier due to this extra use. Either way, the thread regarding road tax still remains. A 2013 civic is 20 quid a year, a 2010 is over 155, same weight etc.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 28, 2021 7:40:33 GMT
Either way, the thread regarding road tax still remains. A 2013 civic is 20 quid a year, a 2010 is over 155, same weight etc. 2010 and 2013 cars are both taxed on the same CO2 bands. £20/year is band B 101-110g/km £155/year is band E 131-140g/km
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 28, 2021 7:48:03 GMT
The point t I was making was using your car on business accelerates wear and in my opinion the 45p doesnt cover this wear. After using my car for work purposes I started to have more regular repairs done. Journeys were mainly to recycling centres down rough roads so my belief is the suspension related repairs happened earlier due to this extra use. Either way, the thread regarding road tax still remains. A 2013 civic is 20 quid a year, a 2010 is over 155, same weight etc. yes it does. But certain types of service are time based (and especially so if still in warranty period). So those would be required still even if you were using for personal only use. Brake fluid changes, engine oil changes etc: unless you are doing v. large business mileage are going to be elapsed time based. Brake pads for sure will be mileage based (though if you are doing high business mileage, its also likely that a lot of that would be MWay or similar and brake pad wear would be disproportianate). I haven't run the maths, but I suspect you haven't either. In the absence of that, I'd say it is just supposition, either way. I'd agree with fuel prices where they are today, that there is a much higher risk it doesn't cover, but then the mileage allowances presumably haven't been updated in line YET ?
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Post by mogish on Oct 28, 2021 12:12:15 GMT
[quote author=" bracknellboy" haven't run the maths, but I suspect you haven't either. In the absence of that, I'd say it is just supposition, either way. I'd agree with fuel prices where they are today, that there is a much higher risk it doesn't cover, but then the mileage allowances presumably haven't been updated in line YET ?[/quote] Ok here goes: 6p mile repairs 13p depreciation 18p pm fuel Not in neg territory but not far off. Either way , reducing usage is prob best way ahead. At least covid has accelerated the use of teams hence less travel.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 28, 2021 12:42:58 GMT
Actually modern cars odometers are actually easier to "clock" now they are digital. A device can be easily purchased and fitted (its just a patch lead) which effectively slows down the count (20/25% ish). Interesting although in principle it ought to be a lot easier for car manufacturers to implement good security for the same reason that manufacturer immobilizers are considered very difficult to hack and thieves are concentrating on attacking smart key features which doesn't require a physical press on the fob so they can just relay the signal to a fob inside a house with a parked car outside. As for the patch lead, I guess that would affect the counting "pulses" coming from the wheels which suggests the link isn't secured (encrypted). Also I guess that isn't clocking per se and if 20% then its not going to affect resale values that much you wouldn't have thought.
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