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Post by agent69 on Nov 4, 2021 18:03:47 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 4, 2021 18:33:24 GMT
It would seem that they were trying to help someone who had gone through a very sad and difficult period in his life. The nasty vicious leftwingers have hounded him out of course. I have no truck with anyone needling anyone at all for suffering such misfortune. However, despite the fact he protests his innoncence, the lack of corruption is what makes this country great.Where I'm going in Ukraine, the people are largely "just about managing" but the President is a billionaire and so was the last one. Most of the MPs are very wealthy. Everyone knows where their money has come from and there continues to be a large feed of stories of MPs unexplained wealth and their connections with buisnesses. Worse than that, even the "little beaurocrats" at the local town hall are highly suspectible to bribes. Until recently the police would also frequently take a bribe not to report a traffic offence or similar. (For balance, Russia and most all ex USSR countries are similar). Corruption eats at the heart of a country. You can't fix anything with corruption as any African leader will tell you. We are nowhere near that but as soon as we find it we stamp on it. What Johnson did initially was utterly wrong. Very much to his credit (and delight in the media and opposition benches) he U-Turned. He recognised it was the wrong decision to give the appearance of changing the system to get the right result in one case. For me personally, I don't care about losing faith through U-turns - far better do that and make the right decision than doggardly stick with the wrong one. Edit: Sorry Mr Me for going off topic ! Its not often I agree with what I understand of your commentary on western vs. eastern european politics, but on this we are in agreement. Sleaze in the political body is a cancer that eats away at good governance. I however disagree with your assessment of BJ's role. It was BJ that ordered the conservative MPs to vote to stop his suspension and put the process into review*. The fact that 13 conservative mps voted against that directive, and 98 abstained tells you what his own backbenchers thought about it. BJ has only done a U-Turn because of the resulting furore and consequent feared political backlash, not because he was suddenly convinced of the rightness of it. And that this is not a one off: BJ has track record of overruling those who are in place to ensure good governance in the executive, to the extent that a number of those appointed to do that have resigned as they have been fatally undermined. This government is the first time in my 57 years that I've felt that there is an utter contempt for the norms of parliamentary behaviour, a complete lack of regard for the moral requirements of high public office, and a massive stench of sleaze which emanates from the heart of the executive. Forget Patterson: the issue here is about the sense of entitlement and the sleaze which resides in the heart of this govt.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Nov 4, 2021 18:40:08 GMT
I remember a comment from India quite a while ago so probably misquoting. The first year in office I had to pay back my political sponsors, the second year I had to support my family. The third year I wanted to do good. but I was voted out. Repeated...
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Post by overthehill on Nov 4, 2021 20:33:36 GMT
1. Pick four words to describe the current Tory party. 2. You're not allowed to choose a word somebody else has previously taken. Incompetent Entitled Corrupt Dishonest (Note, you don't have to be negative about them!)
It can always be worse, all relative. Scotland has a mad woman who wants to do SCexit just before she leaves politics and spends half the year living abroad.
The SNP will figure it all out after they leave the UK.
Seat at the EU's big table if they decide to let them join? Same population as prominent members Finland and Bulgaria so influence should't be an issue. Cost? Don't worry about it, we've got oil.
Share of UK debts will need paid? Don't worry about we've got oil.
Currency? We'll just use the british pound, can't see the BoE or the world markets have any issue with that as we've got oil. We'll switch to the Euro, should be a cheap and quick transition.
Borders and passports with England, Wales and NI. We'll sort it out.
Business? We'd better get busy on those 100 new free trade deals while there are any businesses left after 10 years of independence fanaticism.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2021 20:39:19 GMT
I have no truck with anyone needling anyone at all for suffering such misfortune. However, despite the fact he protests his innoncence, the lack of corruption is what makes this country great.Where I'm going in Ukraine, the people are largely "just about managing" but the President is a billionaire and so was the last one. Most of the MPs are very wealthy. Everyone knows where their money has come from and there continues to be a large feed of stories of MPs unexplained wealth and their connections with buisnesses. Worse than that, even the "little beaurocrats" at the local town hall are highly suspectible to bribes. Until recently the police would also frequently take a bribe not to report a traffic offence or similar. (For balance, Russia and most all ex USSR countries are similar). Corruption eats at the heart of a country. You can't fix anything with corruption as any African leader will tell you. We are nowhere near that but as soon as we find it we stamp on it. What Johnson did initially was utterly wrong. Very much to his credit (and delight in the media and opposition benches) he U-Turned. He recognised it was the wrong decision to give the appearance of changing the system to get the right result in one case. For me personally, I don't care about losing faith through U-turns - far better do that and make the right decision than doggardly stick with the wrong one. Edit: Sorry Mr Me for going off topic ! Its not often I agree with what I understand of your commentary on western vs. eastern european politics, but on this we are in agreement. Sleaze in the political body is a cancer that eats away at good governance. I however disagree with your assessment of BJ's role. It was BJ that ordered the conservative MPs to vote to stop his suspension and put the process into review*. The fact that 13 conservative mps voted against that directive, and 98 abstained tells you what his own backbenchers thought about it. BJ has only done a U-Turn because of the resulting furore and consequent feared political backlash, not because he was suddenly convinced of the rightness of it. And that this is not a one off: BJ has track record of overruling those who are in place to ensure good governance in the executive, to the extent that a number of those appointed to do that have resigned as they have been fatally undermined. This government is the first time in my 57 years that I've felt that there is an utter contempt for the norms of parliamentary behaviour, a complete lack of regard for the moral requirements of high public office, and a massive stench of sleaze which emanates from the heart of the executive. Forget Patterson: the issue here is about the sense of entitlement and the sleaze which resides in the heart of this govt. No doubt you'd also consider www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59163689 as firmly within the sleaze category ? I just can't get excited about it. Nothing to do with it being Tories in power - I'd feel the same had someone paid for Corbyn to go on holiday (which I accept is even less likely to happen). In fact its actually a good thing that people get worked up about this sort of thing because in my view this really is at the very, very edge of what corruption is. The real sort of corruption happens when those in power directly siphon taxpayer funds into their own or friends pockets. In other words the more people and the press complain about any kind whiff of corruption the better as you don't ever want to it take hold.
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Post by bernythedolt on Nov 5, 2021 11:47:41 GMT
Rudderless Myopic Haphazard Windowdressers yet, unbelievably, still somehow preferable to the others. Depressing, isn't it?
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Post by keitha on Nov 5, 2021 15:41:53 GMT
Simply Preferable 2 Unelectable Opposition
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Post by adrianc on Nov 5, 2021 17:12:48 GMT
It would seem that they were trying to help someone who had gone through a very sad and difficult period in his life. There is only one person politicising any tragedy here. And that is the exact same person who, earlier this year, was only too happy to write an article in a mass-market newspaper publicly blaming that same tragedy on something else entirely.The newspaper whose shilling was undoubtedly taken for that article was amongst those calling for his resignation. As for the thread title, I cannot say it better than jonno did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 17:23:14 GMT
we have all lost someone dear to us
we ain't all stuck our hands in the cookie jar because of it
he should have resigned month ago
Let's hope he doesn't get a Lordship out this
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Post by keitha on Nov 5, 2021 17:37:13 GMT
we have all lost someone dear to us
we ain't all stuck our hands in the cookie jar because of it
he should have resigned month ago
yes you can't imagine a judge saying "Norman Stanley Fletcher you have plead guilty to the charges brought by this court..." "However given the recent tragedy in your life this court feels you have suffered enough" "you are free to go"
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