Greenwood2
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Post by Greenwood2 on Nov 21, 2021 20:49:11 GMT
But the judge agreed with the defence that the charge should be dropped because an automatic assault rifle isn't "dangerous", due to the length of the barrel, so the jury never got to rule on that. The judge ruled that way because THAT IS WHAT THE LAW SAYSYou may not like the law, but Rittenhouse was within the law as written. Hence he was there legally. It really is that simple. It may not fit your own little personal definition of 'moral' or 'fair', you may not like Rittenhouse, but that has no bearing on the law as written. I think the self defence verdict is probably right under US law, the selection of the Jury is a bit complicated as always in these sort of trials, were they unbiased? Do I think he is entirely innocent probably not, but not my decision. I do find US gun law scary, what weapons are you legally allowed to carry? I would certainly not be happy if people here could carry automatic rifles in public perfectly legally it just escalates violence.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 21, 2021 22:33:23 GMT
Indeed. I find it quite terrifying that there are politically motivated fanatics out there now questioning the very concept of trial by jury because a decision didn't go their way. November 2016 But the judge agreed with the defence that the charge should be dropped because an automatic assault rifle isn't "dangerous", due to the length of the barrel, so the jury never got to rule on that. The judge ruled that way because THAT IS WHAT THE LAW SAYSNowhere near that clear-cut... apnews.com/article/why-did-judge-drop-kyle-rittenhouse-gun-charge-d923d8e255d6b1f5c9c9fc5b74e691fb
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 22:51:53 GMT
Interesting that the article states it is MPs attacking judges... because a judges job is to interpret the law AS WRITTEN.
If legislatures like MPs (or the US states) write badly worded, ambiguous or self-contradictory laws, that is NOT the judges fault. So MPs blaming judges are effectively trying to deflect blame from the MPs own incompetence.
In the Rittenhouse case, the legislature wrote an exemption based on barrel length. The prosecutors argue that de facto makes a mockery of the entire statute. I agree. But again that IS NOT THE JUDGES FAULT.
It is the fault of the people in the state legislature who wrote the law, and the law AS WRITTEN is what determines what is legal at the time.
Once again, you may not like that law as written. Boo-hoo, sob sob etc. The law is what it is.
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Post by Godanubis on Nov 22, 2021 3:55:48 GMT
Let us all agree there are a lot of frigging nutters (no disrespect to nutters) with no brains and big guns in USA . A very bad combination. Even their oversized vehicles are now weaponised.
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Post by registerme on Nov 22, 2021 10:14:04 GMT
Even their oversized vehicles are now weaponised. Which, sadly, we've also seen elsewhere. Anyway, fwiw, initial reports out of Wisconsin suggest that it wasn't a deliberate attack on the crowd in that the driver was fleeing from something / somebody else.
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Post by keitha on Nov 22, 2021 10:38:04 GMT
chatting to a friend in the US the barrel thing is basically what the gun rights lobby pushed for. the idea being a UZI or similar is dangerous that one carried by Rittenhouse isn't as it's hard to conceal.
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Post by registerme on Nov 24, 2021 13:40:35 GMT
I've not watched it yet, but this might be of interest.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 24, 2021 15:17:08 GMT
I've not watched it yet, but this might be of interest. worth a watch
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 0:46:54 GMT
Yep, thats a very good video. Heres another one from the same channel, explaining the judges actions, and debunking some of the stupid myths circulating. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxoYNpBMaCg
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