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Post by captainconfident on Apr 6, 2022 10:17:34 GMT
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Post by keitha on Apr 6, 2022 10:26:53 GMT
Yes both it and the BBC.
Why should I pay for something I don't use, and more importantly subsidise services for people abroad, I have friends in the US who use I player and watch BBC programs without paying.
I'm also getting fed up of the BBC having double standards, The late great Percy Thrower was kicked off for doing adverts , yet Lineker Is allowed to advertise and shove his political views out. Claudia Winkleman is allowed to advertised CBD oils, Rylan Car dealership etc etc.
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Post by Mike on Apr 6, 2022 10:58:47 GMT
Why should I pay for something I don't use,[...] if you read the article your reply is to, you'd only have to manage two sentences to read c4 "still costs the taxpayer absolutely nothing"
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Post by registerme on Apr 6, 2022 10:59:12 GMT
No.
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Post by Steerpike on Apr 6, 2022 11:33:42 GMT
It is vital that key parts of the national infrastructure remain in public ownership.
What will happen to this country if Gogglebox and Naked Attraction fall in to the wrong hands?
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Post by mogish on Apr 6, 2022 11:56:01 GMT
Yes both it and the BBC. Why should I pay for something I don't use, and more importantly subsidise services for people abroad, I have friends in the US who use I player and watch BBC programs without paying. I'm also getting fed up of the BBC having double standards, The late great Percy Thrower was kicked off for doing adverts , yet Lineker Is allowed to advertise and shove his political views out. Claudia Winkleman is allowed to advertised CBD oils, Rylan Car dealership etc etc. Exactly. We have other choices in the market place. I will choose what I want to buy.
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Post by keitha on Apr 6, 2022 12:08:15 GMT
But he big problem is If I want to watch a program on ITV, Sky or channel 4 live I have to pay the BBC licence tax.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 6, 2022 12:48:39 GMT
Yes both it and the BBC. Why should I pay for something I don't use, and more importantly subsidise services for people abroad "People abroad" subsidise BBC services within the UK, through revenue from BBC Studios (used to be BBC Worldwide). Unless they use a VPN or similar, then they will only have access to a VERY limited subset of iPlayer, restricted by GeoIP. If they do, and so appear to be within the UK, then they are lying to iPlayer about having a TV licence. Exactly. We have other choices in the market place. I will choose what I want to buy. Except it's not that straightforward. The Beeb's licence revenue is less than the ad revenue of commercial channels - before all the other costs of the ad industry. If you buy anything from any business that advertises on TV, you're paying for those channels. Try avoiding paying that...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 13:10:07 GMT
My concern is the potential loss of TRUTH
While I don't completely trust the news from the BBC or CH4 I do set standards for them to have a fair chance of honesty.
Rather than say
Fox news or Russia Today.
I have seen what Berlosconi did to Italy once he owned all the news channels and we can see now what happens in Russia and Belarus when the state owns everything.
My concern is not that Channel 4 goes but that BBC news and BBC articles under a strong truth ethos goes.
That is where I will fight my battles.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 6, 2022 14:05:44 GMT
My concern is not that Channel 4 goes but that BBC news and BBC articles under a strong truth ethos goes.
That is where I will fight my battles.
Agreed. There is far too much confusion between "neutral" and "doesn't align with my bias". The Beeb's biggest problem has been trying too hard to give equal weight to all viewpoints, even when there is clearly a massive consensus around one side. Impartiality does not mean equal airtime. However, the recent appointment of Tim Davie as Director General and Richard Sharp as chair do worry me - they are both clearly partisan appointments. The proposed sale of C4 also appears to be partisan revenge for previous perceived bias.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 6, 2022 14:51:22 GMT
My concern is the potential loss of TRUTH
While I don't completely trust the news from the BBC or CH4 I do set standards for them to have a fair chance of honesty.
Rather than say
Fox news or Russia Today.
I have seen what Berlosconi did to Italy once he owned all the news channels and we can see now what happens in Russia and Belarus when the state owns everything.
My concern is not that Channel 4 goes but that BBC news and BBC articles under a strong truth ethos goes.
That is where I will fight my battles.
I know you're allegeric to RT but if you want to see what Russians are actually reading try this: ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.htmlMore horrifying than RT AND is actually read by russians which is why a large part of them are apolitical generally and either apothetic or nationalistic when it comes to the "special operation". If you can't be bothered to get it translated and read, the guy that wrote that article is essentially saying that almost ALL Ukranians (not just those who were democratically elected) are Nazis and need to be "re-educated" and "cleansed". Utterly horrific stuff. But if you just sit in your BBC bubble you will have no understanding of what is going on outside your blinkers. The BBC (and many others) most certainly are biased and do disseminate propaganda but on a scale of 1 to 100 if the BBC is 7, then the mainstream russian press are in the 80s and 90s. If you want proof about the BBC, virtually any news chat show or interview shows their liberal bias - not mine. For example, (and quite rightly) they favour the Ukranians in this war but what is the point in having show after show with a load of experts agreeing with each other about how bad russia is? Why not give 50% of the interview time to some laughably (if it wasn't so serious) dishonest types from the russian government? The reason is THEY don't trust the viewership to make up their own mind. Perhaps AdrianC doesn't feel the bias as he seems to have quite liberal views himself and so their bias chimes with his own?
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Post by travolta on Apr 6, 2022 15:40:17 GMT
I don't watch TV and only listen to Radio 3/4 News which is sparse and very limited,interpreted by microbrains who are only interested in delivery and point scoring within their tiny empire of celebrity
I'd welcome some new input.
I don't think that privatising the BBC is the answer.
Cutting its budget probably is, because the present crew would resign and hopefully it could be staffed by true news zealots who were not so up their own #rses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 16:29:47 GMT
Michaelc, luckily I don't just watch/listen to just the BBC, I absorb a whole range of news outlets from many countries. It is part of my business model.
Propaganda; well it depends on if you mean cultural or state driven. In terms of cultural your numbers may be true, in terms of state driven your numbers should read 0 and 100.
I'm sure there are worse "news" channels than RT, there are nationalists in every country who want their own little world. If you want to carry out an experiment try having a conversation only with people who agree with you and if you meet people who disagree with you, only speak but don't listen. It is a fascinating experiment becuase you discover that it is very very cosy. Of course it just increases your ignorance but it feels so good.
So don't do this in real life.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 6, 2022 16:37:41 GMT
If you want proof about the BBC, virtually any news chat show or interview shows their liberal bias - not mine. For example, (and quite rightly) they favour the Ukranians in this war <raises eyebrows> Perhaps that's because this conflict is purely unambiguous. One side has invaded the other with no credible pretext, and is quite simply lying about what can be seen to be happening. That's not what I've listened to at all. Where they have various experts being interviewed, it's not just to pile on about "Oooh, that Putin, isn't he naughty?" - it's to give insight, it's to give explanation, it's to give credibility to the headlines. And yet they have done precisely that. I've heard several lengthy R4 interviews with pro-Putin sources from within Russia, and from other Russophilic sources. None of them have been remotely credible. If you wanted a cartoon simplistic view of "Ukraine good, Russia bad", they've provided it - as does that article you linked to. In any other circumstances, it'd be laughable. Cambridge dictionary definition - "Liberal - someone who respects many different types of beliefs or behaviour"Oxford dictionary definition - "Liberal - willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas."I've never quite understood how they can be used to denigrate somebody you do not agree with. Let's take an example story. Yesterday's speech by Zelensky to the UN Security Council. UN coverage - news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115632BBC coverage - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61002914RT's coverage... Oh, hold on. Umm, nearest we're finding amongst the headline stories is... www.rt.com/russia/553393-us-kick-out-russia-unsc/www.rt.com/russia/553398-un-human-rights-council/...and if you do a search of their website, you get this headline, but it doesn't seem to link to a story, just goes back to the front page... www.rt.com/on-air/553307-unsc-emergency-meeting-bucha/So what sort of "neutrality" would you like to see? Perhaps you could link to a source that you think epitomises neutrality on this particular story?
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Post by travolta on Apr 6, 2022 18:14:01 GMT
Well, that was good a bit of well meaning liberal propaganda.
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