keitha
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Post by keitha on Aug 21, 2022 21:43:58 GMT
Lol
rename manchester person thorax it
businesses wont go bust they'll go chest
and Gawd know what they will do the the Pub just outside Caerphilly "the Black Cock Inn"
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 21, 2022 23:03:28 GMT
- Assuming, one day, we are reaping the rewards of a geniocracy, will we look back on democracy as a ridiculous concept?
- In a future where all sporting competition is gender-neutral, will our ancestors who introduced a female category for competitions be considered backward or simply naive?
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Post by Greenwood2 on Aug 22, 2022 7:04:48 GMT
- Assuming, one day, we are reaping the rewards of a geniocracy, will we look back on democracy as a ridiculous concept?
- In a future where all sporting competition is gender-neutral, will our ancestors who introduced a female category for competitions be considered backward or simply naive?
I thought at least many girls like to wear trousers to school, no freezing legs in winter, no boys trying to peer up their skirts as they go up stairs. In the past skirts were either far too short mini skirt days or far too long (whatever that trend was) and even if the skirts looked a 'respectable length' in school the waists were rolled up or down to the fashionable length as soon as the girls left the school gates. Elite women athletes in many sports cannot compete with elite male competitors they are not physically big enough or strong enough, if you want women to ever win anything in those sports separate competitions are necessary. We knew a pub called 'The Black Boy' that had to be re-named.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 22, 2022 8:36:43 GMT
We knew a pub called 'The Black Boy' that had to be re-named. ...that chose to change its name, you mean. The pub round the corner from my old uni halls retains the same name to this day, it seems. But it's not very far from where the BNP's headquarters were, Stephen Lawrence territory... (Pubs called the "Black Boy" were allegedly named after King Charles II, who was given that nickname by his (French) mother since he was slightly swarthy in appearance when he was a baby.)
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Post by keitha on Aug 22, 2022 9:00:17 GMT
Elite women athletes in many sports cannot compete with elite male competitors they are not physically big enough or strong enough, if you want women to ever win anything in those sports separate competitions are necessary. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49298550?ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_wales_sport&ns_linkname=wales&ns_mchannel=social
played at a pretty high level as a Male athlete, but now female and "just wants to play rugby" for me she has all the advantages of a male over a female and none of the disadvantages. For me one of the most sexist events in the world is ladies tennis, they get the same money but for 3/5 of the work, mens matches are usually in championships best of 5 sets women always best of 3, lets have equality the other way please. Much as I would say and I know this will be controversial those women who are demanding the pension age for women go back to 60, why just for women why not men. for years some women ( and I worked with several ) gamed the system, they were entitled to a state pension at 60, and stopped paying NI, but they worked till 65 they got an increase in pension entitlement for every year ( I think It was about 10% ) so retired on a state pension of 150% of what a man retiring at the same age received. A couple of them even invested the money they saved on NI into either private of boosting the works pension
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Post by adrianc on Aug 22, 2022 9:28:05 GMT
Why do trans-rights discussions always come back to elite sport?
It's a trivial distraction, a bit of whatabouttery of the first order.
99.999% of the population will never play the kind of elite sport being discussed. It's utterly irrelevant.
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Post by pepperpot on Aug 22, 2022 10:21:08 GMT
Playing on my mind all night this, I’m the creative/intuitive type more than intelligent. Takes a while to pull stuff together. Finally got the next step tho, I’m gonna flip it and attack the other side. I’m also a wimp, I need some bravado. An explain, leading to a hint then a scenario. I know I keep going back to slavery, not coz I want to but it’s such a well known topic and I’m totally sure everyone’s on the same page. Never know, we might ‘av a secret KKK member ‘ere.
The explain. The problem I’ve got is this. Imagine hitching a ride with Dr Who back to our 1660’s plantation and trying to convince everyone there that slavery is bad. That’s gonna be a pretty difficult sell. It’s a great biz model, making money, growing. Everyone’s happy (‘cept the slaves of course), they wanna expand not someone telling them to stop. The hint. Slavery was growing right up to abolishment. What is currently the main expanding inequality of our time? The scenario. Let’s imagine ourselves back in the plantation, then plump out the biz model a bit and it’s future plans. We got some fields planted, there’s a couple of guys working ‘em. The demand for sugar is hotting up though so we wanna expand. <pats pockets> erm, how much are new slaves these days? Let’s check slave weekly, <sucks ‘tween teeth>. Now then, I ain’t got that much. We knock our ‘eds together and decide this’d make a great investment. Put an ad in the paper back in Blighty... Invest here, great guaranteed returns for a 10-15 yr highly productive slave, and you might even get 20yrs before they’re completely nackered! Only £100k with £15k per year income!!! (random no’s) So, a year later, we pat our selves on the back, onto a nice lil’ earner here. Going great, look at the bottom line, each slave is netting us £20k a year. I think we should cut down those trees over there and plant up the area. All in favour say aye.
Then, late that night, the ghost of a little old lady creeps into yer room. She has a little word in yer ear. You don’t sleep very well and get up all agitated, miss breakfast and head straight to the chapel. Now that you’ve just had a miraculous epiphany over night. OMG slavery is baaaad. What do you do about it? Your locked into sale and finance contracts, you’ve got investors expecting their next payment and a whole lotta sugar cane that would go to waste. How can you just unlock the shackles and let them go? Progress doesn’t always come easily. So wrt the topics I’ve mentioned... White supremacy had to subside. Male dominance had to subside. Homophobia had to subside. Religious doctrine had to subside. Ignorance to scientific reality had to subside. Wealthy elites suppressing the poor.… TBC. Why is it invariably poor ppl in poor areas where the drugs/crime/prostitution/asbos etc etc etc seem to happen. And that’s just in this country. A wealthy country. There’s far worse. People living in downtrodden areas learn from the society around them and follow the examples set. They have a right to feel angry about how our society treats them.
Remember, don't blame the player, blame the game.
I consider socio-economic subjugation a cruel environment to force any human to live. Again, not just this country. Imagine living like an average local in Burundi or Nepal.
Not to mention a despondent place for kids to grow up in. aka Abhorrent. Thing is, it doesn’t need to be this way. The system self corrects to keep it this way. A system problem that's reinforcing itself.
PS, I’ve still not given the ‘concept’ yet.
Think I'll have a go at attacking big oil next.
Signing off with a quote this time.
“We must be the change we want to see in the world.” - Mohandas Gandhi
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 22, 2022 10:29:59 GMT
Why do trans-rights discussions always come back to elite sport? It's a trivial distraction, a bit of whatabouttery of the first order.
99.999% of the population will never play the kind of elite sport being discussed. It's utterly irrelevant. Except its not. Elite sport typically sets the template for involvement down the pyramid of competitive and into general participatory sport. And even if it didn't, very similar/identical concerns and considerations apply anyway. Why you would deduce that concerns over safety and fairness that apply to elite sport do not apply at those other levels, I just can't fathom. Let alone considerations of fairness for the majority of participants, Is it safe (for others) a female trans (i.e. previously male) rugby player to play in the female sport ? To just pick one instance out the ether of an obvious reasonable question/test to pose.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 22, 2022 10:36:13 GMT
Why do trans-rights discussions always come back to elite sport? It's a trivial distraction, a bit of whatabouttery of the first order.
99.999% of the population will never play the kind of elite sport being discussed. It's utterly irrelevant. Except its not. Elite sport typically sets the template for involvement down the pyramid of competitive and into general participatory sport. Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. All levels of competitive sport are still a total irrelevance and distraction for the entire rest of everyday life. For the vast majority of people, that's all of their lives, since they don't participate in any competitive sport at all. I'm not talking about participatory exercise, just going down to the local pool or gym - because that's utterly irrelevant, given that almost every gym or pool or sports centre has private changing areas. I'm talking about whether Person A is competing against Person B, and whether it makes any difference whether Person A happens to be competing under their birth gender or are trans. In real life, Dave and Sue will quite happily play golf* or tennis or squash or bowls or badminton against each other down the sports centre, so long as there's no cheap chromed plastic trophy involved... * - OK, golf is probably a bad example, given that most golf clubs are pretty much the last bastion of entrenched sexual inequality outside of organised religion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 10:41:59 GMT
Why is it invariably poor ppl in poor areas where the drugs/crime/prostitution?
Drugs, probably not true Crime, probably not true Prostitution, true up to a certain value of truth. I've certainly seen prositutes of all classes and and all wealth spectrum. However, when you have nothing else to sell.
Or looking it another way. If you have nothing (ie poor) then drugs, crime and prositution are actually or appear to be a way out of having nothing. So really no surprise.
Please get to the point.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 22, 2022 11:04:28 GMT
Except its not. Elite sport typically sets the template for involvement down the pyramid of competitive and into general participatory sport. Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. All levels of competitive sport are still a total irrelevance and distraction for the entire rest of everyday life. For the vast majority of people, that's all of their lives, since they don't participate in any competitive sport at all. I'm not talking about participatory exercise, just going down to the local pool or gym - because that's utterly irrelevant, given that almost every gym or pool or sports centre has private changing areas. I'm talking about whether Person A is competing against Person B, and whether it makes any difference whether Person A happens to be competing under their birth gender or are trans. In real life, Dave and Sue will quite happily play golf* or tennis or squash or bowls or badminton against each other down the sports centre, so long as there's no cheap chromed plastic trophy involved... * - OK, golf is probably a bad example, given that most golf clubs are pretty much the last bastion of entrenched sexual inequality outside of organised religion. in which case I'm really not sure what point you are making. To say that discussions of 'trans rights' always comes back to "elite sport" I would posit is simply erroneous. I would suggest that discussion of rights normally happens in the context in which it is being considered. Its just that one of the areas where trans rights and non-trans rights so obviously have potential to be in conflict is in competitive sport (there are others I can think of). I doubt whether anyone gives a stuff whether Dave and Sue want to play tennis together or not, regardless of their original birth gender or current gender identification. So I don't know why it would even be thought to be an area worthwhile discussing. Which is probably why it doesn't get discussed. Whereas whether someone who is/was biologically male should have a reasonable expectation of performing in competitive sport - elite or otherwise - as female is worthy of discussion. Which is why it probably gets discussed.
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Post by keitha on Aug 22, 2022 11:04:34 GMT
To me and I know at least one of you will shout at me.
Prostitution is a very old game, I accept some are forced into it for others it's a lifestyle choice, the same as getting yer kit off for "only fans"
to me Prostitution ( where the person chooses to do it ) is Low level crime
fraud involving multi millions is serious, yet the courts will impose all sorts of conditions on bail on prostitutes, and Bernie Ecclestone has no conditions not even confiscation of passport.
another issue is the different approaches applied by Police forces and courts in different areas of the country, and for that matter depending on ethnicity of perpetrators and victims
Look at Rotherham etc and the grooming gangs, I know for a fact the Police and Social Services didn't act for fear of the race card being played, do you think that would be the same had it been white men exploiting vulnerable Asian girls.
I know someone who was sent to jail for 2 years for a drugs offence, when on bail before trial he moved to Manchester and was told by the Police there that they would have slapped his wrist and not to bother reporting in twice a week.
Look at Katie Price most of the public would be in jail for her recent string of offences, and again if Joe Public is bankrupt they are made to put a big chunk of what they make into paying debts, not jet around the world on holidays, having cosmetic surgery, spending huge amounts of money on property and cars
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Post by keitha on Aug 22, 2022 11:05:41 GMT
Except its not. Elite sport typically sets the template for involvement down the pyramid of competitive and into general participatory sport. Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. All levels of competitive sport are still a total irrelevance and distraction for the entire rest of everyday life. For the vast majority of people, that's all of their lives, since they don't participate in any competitive sport at all. I'm not talking about participatory exercise, just going down to the local pool or gym - because that's utterly irrelevant, given that almost every gym or pool or sports centre has private changing areas. I'm talking about whether Person A is competing against Person B, and whether it makes any difference whether Person A happens to be competing under their birth gender or are trans. In real life, Dave and Sue will quite happily play golf* or tennis or squash or bowls or badminton against each other down the sports centre, so long as there's no cheap chromed plastic trophy involved... * - OK, golf is probably a bad example, given that most golf clubs are pretty much the last bastion of entrenched sexual inequality outside of organised religion. Porth Harlequins are hardly an elite team
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Post by Greenwood2 on Aug 22, 2022 11:17:23 GMT
Why do trans-rights discussions always come back to elite sport?It's a trivial distraction, a bit of whatabouttery of the first order. 99.999% of the population will never play the kind of elite sport being discussed. It's utterly irrelevant. I was mainly talking about women competing against men in general, which equally applies at most levels, but at least girls have a chance there because some girls are better at more junior levels than the boys they happen to play against, but as you go up the ranks and you are only competing against very accomplished athletes it becomes more and more difficult for even the best female athletes to compete against their male equivalents. Playing a bit of tennis (or football etc) in the park for fun or whatever it doesn't matter at all what sex anyone is (identify with or have changed to or from), although there are always bragging rights. I don't agree with trans men competing against women for serious prizes like Olympic medals. The testosterone boost for boys who go through puberty gives them an unfair advantage.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Aug 22, 2022 11:23:51 GMT
Except its not. Elite sport typically sets the template for involvement down the pyramid of competitive and into general participatory sport. Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. All levels of competitive sport are still a total irrelevance and distraction for the entire rest of everyday life. For the vast majority of people, that's all of their lives, since they don't participate in any competitive sport at all. I'm not talking about participatory exercise, just going down to the local pool or gym - because that's utterly irrelevant, given that almost every gym or pool or sports centre has private changing areas. I'm talking about whether Person A is competing against Person B, and whether it makes any difference whether Person A happens to be competing under their birth gender or are trans. In real life, Dave and Sue will quite happily play golf* or tennis or squash or bowls or badminton against each other down the sports centre, so long as there's no cheap chromed plastic trophy involved...* - OK, golf is probably a bad example, given that most golf clubs are pretty much the last bastion of entrenched sexual inequality outside of organised religion. Getting rid of all competitive sport, so that everyone is only ever playing for fun and no one cares who wins, would be one way to go. But it is nice to watch the best vying with each other to see who can triumph even if us mere mortals can only watch. Playing against friends is great, but even then it can get heated when points decisions are not clear cut.
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