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Post by oldnick on Mar 24, 2017 8:28:26 GMT
The bot manufacturer's lawyers would use the use of unauthorised 'upgrades' as a get-out to avoid liability. And then someone would claim they left their software open to alteration - so were responsible after all... Those young enough might consider studying law as a career change.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Mar 24, 2017 8:42:47 GMT
My guess is that modifying the software will be become illegal, or effectively illegal as the modifier would then be uninsured. Probably even accessing the USB port will void lots of things.
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Post by moonraker on Mar 24, 2017 20:56:01 GMT
I can't see that 'mixed' traffic could work - manual drivers would only have to up their risk taking manoeuvres slightly and the well mannered and cautiously programmed auto driver bot will back off and let them through. Imagine two manual drivers jousting for road space in the hope that the other car will back off like all the others had. More likely that some roads would be designated as 'auto only' - like bus lanes are supposed to be now. Given that for a decade or more there will be significant numbers of both "auto" and "manual" cars, one could hardly have a dual road system - in many parts of the country there's not enough road space at the moment. Unless "auto" cars revert to manual mode when they leave their designated road. To repeat a point I've already made: some people won't be able to afford new auto cars or the cost of repairs to a second- or third-hand one.
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Post by moonraker on Mar 27, 2017 7:59:19 GMT
One can go on and on thinking of situations and wondering how autonomous cars will deal with them - the notorious school run, for example; if the cars behave sensibly and legally there could be long tail-backs of parents' cars.
And will they be able to differentiate between minor road junctions (within 32 feet of which parking is illegal) and private driveways? Now and then I have minor issues with a neighbour's car parked very close to my drive exit and with visitors' cars parked opposite, forcing me to creep past them and turn ever so carefully into my drive. The clearances involved are far less than those suggested for autonomous cars.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Mar 27, 2017 8:10:03 GMT
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Post by r1200gs on Mar 28, 2017 9:25:00 GMT
One wonders if these automated cars will develop the almost uncanny ability that some experienced drivers develop, to know when another driver is going to do something idiotic, like fail to stop at a junction? Will an automated car know that it is the behaviour of a cretin to sit along side a LHD truck on the motorway when it's closing on the vehicle in front, for example? Will it know that the Luxembourg registered truck on the E411 is in the wrong lane and needs to be in the space you are occupying at your peril? Will it know that it is not a criminal offence to remain in lane one for several seconds to get a picture of what is going on around you, and that there are no penalty points for not going direct from slip road to outside lane, even when there is nothing to overtake? I've driven from Poland to Scotland and most points in between in the last couple of years, and I firmly believe that automation would prevent a huge number of incidents on the road. The simple rear end shunt could and should be a thing of the past.
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Post by am on Mar 28, 2017 11:17:37 GMT
Well this one is aimed at dealing with the congestion of traffic isn't it? Mmm. "Different private cars" will not deal with congestion. Sensible urban public transport would do that. But, of course, that won't do anything about extra-urban/rural transport issues. Automated cars are expected to have shorter reaction times than human drivers, and consequently can be driven with a smaller gap between vehicles, i.e. at a given speed you can get more vehicles on a stretch of road. (But I'd expect them to be a bigger boon on motorways than on urban roads.)
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Post by jevans4949 on Mar 29, 2017 9:26:33 GMT
Report says the other car "failed to yield". Sounds like another case where the human driver was at fault. Apart from the computer, these are conventionally-equipped cars, and there are limits to how quickly they can be brought to a stop.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 30, 2017 8:11:35 GMT
Report says the other car "failed to yield". Sounds like another case where the human driver was at fault. Apart from the computer, these are conventionally-equipped cars, and there are limits to how quickly they can be brought to a stop. But would a human driver have avoided the collision?
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Post by oldnick on Mar 30, 2017 8:57:44 GMT
Depends on the software in my experience.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Apr 15, 2017 17:23:42 GMT
You can keep yer driverless cars, that's the fun bit........Now a self wash & wax car, that can fill the tank, do minor repairs, change a wheel and all the other boring stuff now I WOULD be interested.............as for unlocking the car and starting it remotely WHY??!!!.....could lead to more car theft!!
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 24, 2017 0:04:20 GMT
Just received my insurance renewal letter..........no changes to my or my baby Brera's specs and they want 29% extra!!!!!! Then it got me t'inking.......How would premiums work for driverless cars, 'cos in theory the car would be earning the no claims bonus. so if you bought a new car you would be charged a fortune 'cos the new car would have no experience...........and if a 17 year old bought your old car !!!!!!! There again if your car was a bit of a boy racer and was always being photographed!!!!!!! Then I thought what actually is a driverless car.........a taxi!!
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Post by guff on Jun 24, 2017 21:02:43 GMT
Why would there be any need for insurance? After all, thousands of 'planes fly around on automatic pilot without hitting each other. Other than avionics systems are ultra-reliable, often triple redundant for flight critical applications, largely bug free, shake-rattle-and-roll proof, extensively tested and monitored with several minutes of separation between 'planes which also have two competent humans able to override at any hint of a collision. The ABS unit on my if-only-everything-was-as-reliable-as-my-VW Golf failed driving across the Pyrenees. I took the electronics unit apart and found that some of the hybrid bond wires had snapped at the substrate bond pad - I suspect that there had been too much energy or duration set up during ultrasonic bonding. The number of problems with VW electronics units circa 2009 is quite eye opening. "You should have bought an ultra-reliable Japanese car" said one Mazda owning friend, so I pointed out the identical Bosch ABS unit in his car. Driverless cars with potentially dodgy soft/firm/hardware, closing speeds of 100mph with separation of a metre on muddy country lanes? Thankfully not in my lifetime. Sounds as daft as the proposal to change the UK to driving on the right hand side of the road: if the one year HGV pilot scheme is successful then it will be rolled out to all vehicles.
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Post by sd2 on Sept 25, 2019 23:21:29 GMT
And of course the other aspect is the issue of liability for compliance with road rules etc. If my Aston Martin was speeding, or ran a red light, who's liable ? We are currently in a world where say 99.9% of accidents and breach of road rules are down to owner/driver responsibility, and a legal (and commercial) framework which is predicated on that. That is flipped on its head with autonomous vehicles. It should be easy to work out who is liable because there will be video footage from several angles, GPS data, radar or lidar and many other sensors. What makes you think there will be Aston Martin's when driverless cars have taken over? The majority view is that cars will be very similar. You can't really pose in a autonomous car.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 26, 2019 9:09:47 GMT
@wallstreet I suggest you may want to take a chill pill and then re-read the whole of the original post again. If you let yourself get past the first couple of sentences without blowing your lid and read the remainder, I think you will find that you are in violent agreement with the post you have only partially and selectively quoted. You will then realise that the opening couple or so sentences were deliberately ironic / intended to juxtapose the two very different situations: precisely as you have subsequently done.
And how on earth have two year old posts/threads suddently been dug up anyway.....
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