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Post by am on Mar 24, 2017 16:29:33 GMT
I logged in with for the first time for a couple of weeks or so, and was presented with new T&Cs to agree. All seem perfectly reasonable, but does anyone have a summary of the changes?
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Post by SophieThing on Mar 24, 2017 16:48:47 GMT
Hi Am,
The changes are reasonably substantial and I have not provided a tracked version I'm afraid. I will do so from now on.
Kind regards
Sophie
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Post by SophieThing on Mar 24, 2017 17:04:28 GMT
Hi Paul,
We hadn't updated our terms for quite some time and they really didn't reflect the way that we operate now. The old terms were also unclear and/or didn't include points about how we will handle defaults, for example. I took the decision to update them to take into account how we work now at the same time as making the regulatory changes.
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Sophie
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 24, 2017 17:05:54 GMT
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Post by SophieThing on Mar 24, 2017 17:48:36 GMT
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your questions.
Thanks for pointing out that the numbering has not been picked up. That may take me quite some time to sort out, but I'll aim to do that by Monday.
In regards to 'defaulted' loans, we mean here loans that we have actually placed into 'default'. There may be, as you point out, late payments, but we may not consider this to be a 'default'. If we move something into default, we are talking about a recovery situation.
I understand your point about the secondary market text, but I read it differently. I read these terms as transferring rights from the point of sale, not accrued rights. The secondary market will operate in the same way it always has with the selling lender earning interest up to the day of sale and the buyer thereafter (paid as always on the interest due date).
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Sophie
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Post by am on Mar 24, 2017 18:01:19 GMT
I noticed the new T&Cs refer to interest being paid from drawdown. I glossed over that at the time because loans have all been drawdown before listing, but, having subsequently discovered that MT are no longer prefunding loans, I now expect that this was one of the changes.
I can see why the FSA might look askance at prefunding loans - the platform's capital could end up tied up in failed loans, and it has put a crimp in the size of loans that could be floated - but on the other hand waiting days, weeks, months, for a loan to fill doesn't seem desirable either. How do MT intend to handle a case when a loan is slow to fill? Do they need to introduce underwriters. Do they want to float a loan to MoneyThing Underwriters Limited, and would we want to participate?
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Post by am on Mar 24, 2017 18:03:01 GMT
Should SophieThing want to create a tracked version from this, it would avoid duplication of effort.
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 24, 2017 18:09:26 GMT
I dont see any particular reference in the T&Cs to wind-down procedures in the event of MT collapse
However, I note in the FAQ that MT will be handling their own loan book wind down which is a bit surprising but presumably something the FCA allows.
On the point raised about interest. To date MT have been interest regularly on the anniversary of term whether the borrower pays interest at term, monthly or in advance, will this change going forward with interest only being paid when borrower pays?
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Post by elliotn on Mar 25, 2017 6:36:10 GMT
- per am, will MoneyThing implement their version of instant returns prior to borrower drawdown; - per ilmoro, could you please state the source of interest payments for each loan launch to aid our risk assessment (whether retained at drawdown or the time period for borrower payment(s) to the client monies account); - now that lenders have the option to cancel their loan parts when a loan does not fill on time and the loan request is extended, will this be a general or loan specific deadline; - are loans retrospectively covered by the new T&C; if so, how do each of the above apply to Putney (I made my pre-sales and investment based on the former T&C and see that it has already drawndown also). Thanks.
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Post by SophieThing on Mar 25, 2017 8:49:36 GMT
- per am , will MoneyThing implement their version of instant returns prior to borrower drawdown; - per ilmoro , could you please state the source of interest payments for each loan launch to aid our risk assessment (whether retained at drawdown or the time period for borrower payment(s) to the client monies account); - now that lenders have the option to cancel their loan parts when a loan does not fill on time and the loan request is extended, will this be a general or loan specific deadline; - are loans retrospectively covered by the new T&C; if so, how do each of the above apply to Putney (I made my pre-sales and investment based on the former T&C and see that it has already drawndown also). Thanks. Hi ilmoro , am and elliotn , To answer your questions: 1. Yes we will offer instant drawdowns. We will fund this out of our fees and if a loan doesn't fill, we'll use underwriters which we already have in place. We plan to give the same kind of timeframe as we usually do- 48 hours- for a loan to fill, but we may adjust this on a per loan basis depending on how things go under the new way of working. 2. Sorry I don't have one tracked version of the T&C's as this has gone through many iterations over a number of months. 3. Wind up process- the terms state: "We are required to inform you of the measures we take to ensure that any Loan Agreements in which you participate continue to be managed and administered, in accordance with the terms of the Loan Agreements and these Terms, if we cease to operate the Platform. At all times we manage our Loans in such a way to ensure that income we earn from Loan Agreements is sufficient to cover our costs of managing and administering those Loan Agreements during any winding down process, taking into account the reduced number of Loans and reduced fee income from them." We have a more detailed 'living will' document that specifies exactly how we will do this and this has been approved by the FCA as part of our authorisation. 4. Interest- we will continue to pay lenders any interest due monthly. We have not until recently informed lenders about how this interest is paid. Often MT cash flows the interest payments if a borrower has paid late or if the loan agreement is an interest roll-up. When we do this we obviously take the risk on the interest not being paid by the borrower, however it works well as it keeps operations smooth. More recently, we have started to make efforts to communicate this to lenders and we are in the process of changing all our loan descriptions to make it clear what is happening about interest payments. In fact we are trying to make all loan descriptions more informative. This will help lenders better assess risk. 5. option to cancel loan parts if a loan doesn't fill- this will be loan specific and we will specify the raising time period in the particulars. As stated above, we will by using the 48 hour period as we have previously used, but may adjust this depending on how things go. 6. which T&C's apply to Putney: the new lender T&C's apply to this loan. You raise a good point in that you signed up to the old conditions when you invested. The timing of this loan was unfortunate, but couldn't be helped. I think the best thing for us to do on this loan is to email all lenders to ensure that everyone is aware that the new terms apply to this loan and to give everyone a chance to exit from it if they are not happy to continue under the new terms. It isn't an option for us to continue on the 'old' basis as we must comply to the conditions set by the FCA. In regards to which T&C's apply to which loan- I'm not going to answer that here. We'll be sending out a full communication next week about how lenders are affected by our authorisation and this will be answered then. Kind regards Sophie
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Post by star dust on Mar 25, 2017 10:09:03 GMT
As well as a new structure for loans, I notice there is now a speific section relating to the secondary market in the new t&c's. SophieThing, can you give us any update vis-à-vis the 'simple debts' and capital gains tax issues discussed here, in this respect?
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Post by elliotn on Mar 25, 2017 11:44:03 GMT
Thank you SophieThing for the clear answers, nice to see you juggling your twin responsibilities so well!
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Post by SophieThing on Mar 25, 2017 12:13:56 GMT
As well as a new structure for loans, I notice there is now a speific section relating to the secondary market in the new t&c's. SophieThing , can you give us any update vis-à-vis the 'simple debts' and capital gains tax issues discussed here, in this respect? Hi Start dust, Yes I am looking forward to being able to answer those questions as they have been hanging around for quite some time. I'd like to do my main communications next week on the change to the new structure and how they affect lenders and as part of that the tax questions will be answered. The structure for tax was tied up with the structure for regulation, so it made sense for us to handle these two issues at the same time. At least we're there now. Kind regards, Sophie
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Post by jonno on Mar 25, 2017 12:52:05 GMT
Thank you SophieThing for the clear answers, nice to see you juggling your twin responsibilities so well! OOOOH! missus
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Post by ablender on Mar 25, 2017 21:05:49 GMT
SophieThing Under the section Risk Acknowledgement there is the following: "You acknowledge that some lending activities through the Platform are authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority, whilst others are not. We do not treat regulated activities differently to non-regulated activities on the Platform." Can you please specify what is authorised and regulated by the FCA and what is not?
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