bugs4me
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Post by bugs4me on Sept 16, 2017 14:34:57 GMT
Better look more closely at the background of some of the platform directors! Start putting a few bits about them up here regarding their limited credentials. They don't like it up'em, you know. I've done extensive DD on some of the platforms - a few leave a great deal to be desired IMO. You'd be surprised oldgrumpy (although probably not) about their Directors track records. Start, close, start, close, etc, etc. So not for me although they do promise the earth, moon and stars if you invest via them!!!! Don't think the forum admin would agree with putting up their limited credentials
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Post by mrclondon on Sept 16, 2017 14:40:48 GMT
Better look more closely at the background of some of the platform directors! Start putting a few bits about them up here regarding their limited credentials. They don't like it up'em, you know. OK, oldgrumpy , you take the first pot shot! (Bearing in mind all the rules surrounding this forum and the fear of those-who-must-be-obeyed of any identification of anybody or anything)Said in jest I know, but nevertheless raises an issue I've been grappling with. There is something I would like to get off my chest concerning a resigned director of one platform who may still have informal influence over the platform, but have been struggling to frame an approach which would be acceptable on the forum, and wouldn't leave me vulnerable to defamation claims. If what I've said rings any bells, I'd be grateful for a PM conversation to discuss further. (And for clarity here, I'm NOT talking about MT)
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Post by bugs4me on Sept 16, 2017 14:41:54 GMT
... The background of the borrower is equally as important IMO. Absolutely, but it seems to be given no credence by most of the platforms. Agreed and platforms will continue to offer loans whilst folks continue to pile into them blindly. I can envisage numerous platforms behavior ending in tears at some point and once or if the media really get their teeth into it then..... Shame the FCA are as per usual reactive rather than proactive IMO.
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 16, 2017 16:20:54 GMT
Client comes to FS wanting to borrow as much as they can against their property. FS obtain a valuation, multiply the value by 0.7, and -- hey, presto -- a 70% LTV loan is offered to investors. mikes1531 - it's not just FS that are 'guilty' of this - I suspect many P2P platforms adopt the same 'standards'. There'd be nothing at all wrong in principle with the practice if valuations were more reliable. Bog standard houses in stable neighbourhoods ought to be easier to shift at a reasonable price in a foreclosure sale than top end properties that only sell when the right person comes along, or derelict sites where planning permission to redevelop is being requested, or complex development projects, or commercial property. I'm beginning to wonder whether I should be moving out of Lendy and FS with their high interest rates and high default rates and into platforms such as THC with lower interest rates and seemingly lower default rates. The net return might not be that different and the ups and downs might be less severe.
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Post by adrian77 on Sept 16, 2017 19:12:53 GMT
Agree with all of the above - personally I think that UK interest rates will be higher by the year end (it is bound to happen sooner or later) and the housing market will cool. I may be wrong but I am not risking my money in any more of such problematic property loans....
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Post by copacetic on Jan 18, 2018 11:08:01 GMT
Up for renewal today with new loan number 2446489656 (replacing the current 2 loans on the land). Planning approval has been granted subject to section 106 agreement payments totalling £219330, around half of which must be paid before development commences. Borrowing has increased from £117000 to £260000 for the purpose of "advancing other projects". Land has been sold with contracts exchanged at £831280 however the purchaser hasn't been named so no way to determine if they have sufficient capital or finance in place to complete the sale.
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Post by lobster on Jan 18, 2018 11:19:32 GMT
Up for renewal today with new loan number 2446489656 (replacing the current 2 loans on the land). Planning approval has been granted subject to section 106 agreement payments totalling £219330, around half of which must be paid before development commences. Borrowing has increased from £117000 to £260000 for the purpose of "advancing other projects". Land has been sold with contracts exchanged at £831280 however the purchaser hasn't been named so no way to determine if they have sufficient capital or finance in place to complete the sale.Fair point, but then again, surely the purchaser would be heavily penalised for breach of contract if they are unable to complete. I believe that for a "normal" purchase of a residential house, the purchaser is fined 10% of the purchase price if he/she fails to complete - at least that used to be the case, albeit many years ago.
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Post by SteveT on Jan 18, 2018 11:22:59 GMT
Up for renewal today with new loan number 2446489656 (replacing the current 2 loans on the land). Planning approval has been granted subject to section 106 agreement payments totalling £219330, around half of which must be paid before development commences. Borrowing has increased from £117000 to £260000 for the purpose of "advancing other projects". Land has been sold with contracts exchanged at £831280 however the purchaser hasn't been named so no way to determine if they have sufficient capital or finance in place to complete the sale. There is really no solid "valuation" of the scheme either, just a short letter from the original valuer suggesting that the new value is (surprise, surprise) more or less exactly the claimed sale price. If the pre-agreed sale doesn't complete for some reason, who knows what another purchaser might be willing to pay. Probably one of the lower risk FS loans (which says more about the typical FS loan than it does about this one), but not one I'll be moving monies around for. Either all is as we're told, in which case it may repay within a month or so, or else the sale falls through and the true LTV is revealed to be XX% ( insert wild guess here).
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Post by portlandbill on Jan 18, 2018 11:23:00 GMT
Up for renewal today with new loan number 2446489656 (replacing the current 2 loans on the land). Planning approval has been granted subject to section 106 agreement payments totalling £219330, around half of which must be paid before development commences. Borrowing has increased from £117000 to £260000 for the purpose of "advancing other projects". Land has been sold with contracts exchanged at £831280 however the purchaser hasn't been named so no way to determine if they have sufficient capital or finance in place to complete the sale. and now only 11%
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Post by r1200gs on Jan 18, 2018 12:14:14 GMT
And here's me thinking this one looked alright. I do wonder if we might getting a little over sceptical these days? Probably not, though who could blame us if we were?
The first thing I'm thinking is that it's got to be fairly easy to set up a sale, grab a pile of P2P cash and then oops, the sale falls through but here, do have the security and good luck selling it.
Thanks for the money now I'm off to the Bahamas.
Oh yes, I'm as sceptical as anyone these days....
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Post by copacetic on Jan 18, 2018 12:22:58 GMT
Fair point, but then again, surely the purchaser would be heavily penalised for breach of contract if they are unable to complete. I believe that for a "normal" purchase of a residential house, the purchaser is fined 10% of the purchase price if he/she fails to complete - at least that used to be the case, albeit many years ago. I might be overly cynical but if it was to a new limited company with £1 share capital then it would just be wound up with no propect of the penalty being paid. I would hope FundingSecure has already checked out the purchaser as part of their DD since the sale by the end of Feb seems to be the main consideration for the valuation and exit strategy. I've emailed them to confirm it but as yet they haven't replied.
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 18, 2018 12:25:55 GMT
It might be worth reiterating that the borrower (or at least the directors behind the borrowing company) already have at least one other loan with FS - The Ne****m park hotel.
I think there would be some severe repercussions for the buyer if they were to pull out after exchange, and it very rarely happens. On that alone, I'm convinced enough.
I do want to do some more research here, but entirely disregarding the £825k 'valuation' £260k doesn't sound ridiculously high for the plot with PP in the worst case.
Edit: This said, I do agree that a proper VR and some info about the purchaser would be very helpful.
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Post by r1200gs on Jan 18, 2018 12:36:21 GMT
It might be worth reiterating that the borrower (or at least the directors behind the borrowing company) already have at least one other loan with FS - The Ne****m park hotel. I think there would be some severe repercussions for the buyer if they were to pull out after exchange, and it very rarely happens. On that alone, I'm convinced enough. I do want to do some more research here, but entirely disregarding the £825k 'valuation' £260k doesn't sound ridiculously high for the plot with PP in the worst case. Edit: This said, I do agree that a proper VR and some info about the purchaser would be very helpful. I did ask if the DD they have done includes checking out the buyer but the answer was a canned response about having carried out all their usual checks. I also agree that a proper valuation would have been helpful and yet it's difficult to see how this could ever be sold for less than the loan amount. I'm in.
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Post by pier2pier on Jan 18, 2018 13:34:06 GMT
Up for renewal today with new loan number 2446489656 (replacing the current 2 loans on the land). Planning approval has been granted subject to section 106 agreement payments totalling £219330, around half of which must be paid before development commences. Borrowing has increased from £117000 to £260000 for the purpose of "advancing other projects". Land has been sold with contracts exchanged at £831280 however the purchaser hasn't been named so no way to determine if they have sufficient capital or finance in place to complete the sale. a nice chunk to be paid
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Post by routlep on Jan 18, 2018 14:08:00 GMT
I'm in too - all gone in about an hour
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