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Post by eascogo on Sept 30, 2017 17:28:04 GMT
Given the loan duration the interest paid by the borrower is significant and set to increase if the renewal goes ahead. Also if a sale is to take place the property would benefit from a lickover to achieve a good price. If the borrower is short of funds that may not be an option. I would therefore look at the figure for the 90-day valuation (£925,000) as potentially relevant. FYI I am no longer invested in this loan. eascogo : Thanks for your input. I'm not sure why the borrower's interest would increase after the renewal. Yes, the balance is up, but only by a little (£720k vs. £700k), but the interest rate has dropped from 13% to 12%. That assumes, of course, that the reduced interest rate to investors is passed through to the borrower. If, OTOH, FS have left the borrower's rate is unchanged... I agree that the sale price in a recovery situation likely would be be closer to £925k than £1.15M but, as was pointed out above, that still ought to produce sufficient proceeds to repay the £720k loan plus all accrued interest/fees. Presuming, of course, that it doesn't take too long before the sale occurs. If FS allow the borrower to stall the recovery process for 3-4 months, as they have in the past, and receivers aren't called in until some time after that, then a full recovery would be harder to achieve. mikes1531. I agree with what you say. I was just saying that the interest paid by the borrower is already hugely significant and will go on increasing as the loan being renewed. A reduced rate from 13% to 12% doesn't alter this. I was passing by today and the photos shown in the valuation mirror the situation well, especially with regard to the block of flats overlooking the garden at the back. The property is situated on a busy stretch of road; its closeness to bus and tube enhances its desirability from a letting point-of-view but perhaps less so for permanent occupation. If the borrower can refinance or has resources to avoid a forced sale then all is well and no one is worried.
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 30, 2017 19:08:44 GMT
If the borrower can refinance or has resources to avoid a forced sale then all is well and no one is worried. Yes indeed, but the evidence of their ability to do either of those seems to be a bit thin on the ground. There have been a number of previous FS loans on the property by this borrower. The interest due on the early loans was rolled up into later loans. The interest on the last loan was mostly paid by the borrower, but some was rolled up into the current loan. Unless there's a significant increase in the property value in the next six months -- which, IMHO, is unlikely -- will the borrower be able to raise another £100k? Judging from the fact that the last two loans haven't been renewed promptly, I fear not. As for refinancing, when FS made the first loan over two years ago (Aug.'15) they wrote "The borrower plans to repay the loan by arranging a longer term finance deal." Obviously, they've been unable to do that for some considerable time. I don't exactly know why, and the FS updates do suggest they've been trying but unsuccessful. So the question is... What's going to be different in the next six months of trying? I can't answer that. I've invested a bit in this loan, and I hope it turns out well for all concerned. If it doesn't repay early, I'll probably try to reduce my holding via the SM. Does that make me a fool hoping to find a greater fool? Possibly.
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Post by adrian77 on Oct 1, 2017 9:49:29 GMT
Well this is an interesting one with varied opinions. Personally I agree with the above - even if rented out at £2K pcm I don't think that will even pay 50% of the interest?
I think the flats will really detract from the value and also the crack above the stair riser looks possibly worrying to me and will need a thorough inspection by a structural engineer - mine here in the frozen North costs about £1000 per day so that won't be cheap in London. If major foundation works next door have caused this problem then cue legal action at £300 or whatever per hour whilst any sale is on hold. I really can't see any refinancing until an engineers report is produced.
I was in this loan so to all of you who paid to renew it all I can say is a big THANK YOU.
I note 3 people alone paid a total of over £100K- there's confidence for you!
My return was a tasty 13% so it is all not bad news ref FS property loans!
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Post by michaelc on Oct 1, 2017 12:59:33 GMT
I was intrigued how they could get away with what apparently does look like serious amenity issues so I took a look at the plans. As the extract from the officer's report shows below it does seem they are set back and maybe 10M is quite a lot in that built up area but I'm certainly glad it isn't my garden!
Neighbouring Amenity
The mews element would be sited some 10m from the boundary with no.104 H******
Road. Close to the boundary it would be sited in line with the neighbouring property.
The external building is similar to that previously approved in terms of it’s size, scale and
dimensions and is not materially different. It is not considered that the proposed building
would cause harmful loss of outlook or light to neighbouring residents including those at
no.104 H****** Road.
The applicant has designed windows facing north to the flats above commercial units on
Golders Green Road in a manner that would prevent direct overlooking between the
windows.
It is not considered that the proposed development of the site for 15 flats would harm the
amenities of surrounding residents from associated noise and disturbance. It should be
notes that there is already planning permission for 9 flats on the site and the floorspace of the development is comparable. It is therefore considered, taking into account the location
of the site close to Golders Green Town Centre, that any impact would not be materially
harmful.
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 1, 2017 17:44:00 GMT
I was in this loan so to all of you who paid to renew it all I can say is a big THANK YOU. adrian77 : ISTM that you also should be giving thanks to FS and their underwriters. Inasmuch as the loan is only 65% funded at the moment you couldn't have been repaid without them. I do hope the 12% interest rate and the problems noted in this thread don't mean the renewal can't be funded without continued underwriting, because that wouldn't do FS any good at all. At least the loan can't turn into another Rishton, because the previous loan has been repaid.
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Post by adrian77 on Oct 2, 2017 11:07:25 GMT
To FC underwriters I also say "I THANK YOU"
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Post by rogerthat on Apr 4, 2018 11:11:47 GMT
Renewal of (7593910742) with 4906730174
£720K @ 12%..LTV 62.6% 11am 05/04/2018 To renew or not ?
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Post by steve11523 on Apr 4, 2018 11:17:14 GMT
I'm in this loan and plan to renew. I am puzzled why the borrower has been borrowing for a couple of years at FS rates but the asset looks fairly valued and the LTV is ok
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Post by Liz on Apr 4, 2018 11:22:34 GMT
I'm in this loan and plan to renew. I am puzzled why the borrower has been borrowing for a couple of years at FS rates but the asset looks fairly valued and the LTV is ok He should have sold and rented, would have saved a lot of money, which he will 1 day run out of.
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Post by eascogo on Apr 4, 2018 11:37:19 GMT
Renewal of (7593910742) with 4906730174
£720K @ 12%..LTV 62.6% 11am 05/04/2018 To renew or not ? I used to be in that loan and became jittery after the first renewal and sold out. After umpteen further renewals I would be wondering where this is going. I no longer track this loans but had worked out that the borrower was leeking money, paying the interest but recouping only about half of that from renting the property.
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Post by jamesc on Apr 4, 2018 12:27:43 GMT
I'm in this loan and plan to renew. I am puzzled why the borrower has been borrowing for a couple of years at FS rates but the asset looks fairly valued and the LTV is ok I have a very large chunk of this loan and was very pleasantly surprised that it renewed on time but left with a big decision to make whether to renew or not. The economics of this make no sense this will be the third renewal i.e close to half the borrowed amount would have been repaid in interest and given its a first charge residential property with an ok LTV What am I missing why has the borrower not secured cheaper financing ? The valuation looks reasonable although the development next door causes some concern.
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Post by nyneil on Apr 4, 2018 12:45:31 GMT
As there's increasing uncertainty around this loan, i won't be renewing.
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Post by eascogo on Apr 4, 2018 12:50:28 GMT
I'm in this loan and plan to renew. I am puzzled why the borrower has been borrowing for a couple of years at FS rates but the asset looks fairly valued and the LTV is ok I have a very large chunk of this loan and was very pleasantly surprised that it renewed on time but left with a big decision to make whether to renew or not. The economics of this make no sense this will be the third renewal i.e close to half the borrowed amount would have been repaid in interest and given its a first charge residential property with an ok LTV What am I missing why has the borrower not secured cheaper financing ? The valuation looks reasonable although the development next door causes some concern. I imagine the borrower must have tried but didn't succeed in securing cheaper financing. The property is let to a number of tenants and this may have prevented a good deal. With regard to the development next door I think that its negative impact is only temporary until the work is over.
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Post by eascogo on May 3, 2018 19:01:15 GMT
G.G**n loan 4906730174 (renewal of 7593910742) Just to say that the building under construction to the left of the property is nearing completion. Scaffoldings have been removed. Work inside is still going but signage says ready this spring and 20% sold. The new building looks good and blends in well with this property.
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Post by adrian77 on Dec 29, 2018 14:13:15 GMT
interested in this one but mixed opinions on the one hand there seems to be no garage and I wonder if the adjoining development has damaged the foundations etc on the other hand the adjoining flats seem very expensive compared to the house so either the house is reasonably priced or the flats overpriced?
The house is 4 bed 1340 ft2 is £1.1m = £821 per ft2 whilst a 2-bed flat 937 ft2 is £875K = £933 per ft2
Any comments - I thank you
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