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Post by rogerthat on Feb 23, 2018 17:07:11 GMT
Looking like the restriction was not really required. Indeed..maybe the £1K restriction was a honey trap? ..seems rather generous though for a lower ranked loan. The temptation of a finished development which is on the market has tempted a few it seems..im still sitting on the fence with 3 slices of the original facility to console myself with..wondering if its worth what little spare ISA allowance I have left
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Post by rogerthat on Feb 23, 2018 17:26:57 GMT
Hm. Looks like our man really wants some money fast for something, and the 2nd charge loan on his indoor barbecue just isn't cutting it. rogerthat I do hope you're not genuinely smacking your (bacon) chops at lower ranking facilities again. I could try, and probably fail, to replicate some of the quants guys formulas on here to explain this mathematically. But I won't, and it's Friday, so let's keep it simple: via Imgflip Meme Generator
*Mr Mackay is not a licensed financial professional and as such if you want to invest in FS second facilities, then be his guest.I'm ruminating and pontificating rather than slavering over this one...would be handy to know if any offers have been made for the other three flats ..btw congratulations on finding this thread despite this loan number not being mentioned anywhere within..how on earth did you manage it ?
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 23, 2018 17:40:48 GMT
I'm ruminating and pontificating rather than slavering over this one...would be handy to know if any offers have been made for the other three flats ..btw congratulations on finding this thread despite this loan number not being mentioned anywhere within..how on earth did you manage it ? I'm learning. You can track progress of the other sales on RM. Look, it'll probably be fine. But, 2 points: a) in the unlikely event that there's something FS aren't telling us or aren't aware of yet (heaven forfend!) then all of the money in that facility hits the wall first, 14% interest and all. See the Formby development for a quite possible sad tale in progress along this line. b) in the quite possible event that the other flats take yonks to to sell (maybe they're not as good as the first 3 for some reason?), then it rather sounds like this guy might be having some cashflow challenges with his various loans. If he doesn't pay interest to renew the other loans, then bear in mind that every penny of the "interest that continues to accrue" on the main facility will be paid before the second facility gets a look in.
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Post by trevor on Feb 23, 2018 17:53:48 GMT
14% is not enough for a second charge. I'm barge poling this one.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 23, 2018 17:59:56 GMT
Looking like the restriction was not really required. Indeed..maybe the £1K restriction was a honey trap? ..seems rather generous though for a lower ranked loan. I also wondered whether FS put the restriction on in the hope that it would make the loan look more attractive. Or perhaps as a sop to those who complained about the lack of restrictions on other recent FS offerings. As for whether it was necessary, there's really not enough evidence yet to say. Looking at the list of investments now, I see 14 investors who put in £1k. If those investors actually wanted an average of about £5k each, this loan would be fully funded by now. We'll get more info tomorrow at 1600.
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 23, 2018 18:03:38 GMT
Indeed..maybe the £1K restriction was a honey trap? ..seems rather generous though for a lower ranked loan. I also wondered whether FS put the restriction on in the hope that it would make the loan look more attractive. Or perhaps as a sop to those who complained about the lack of restrictions on other recent FS offerings. As for whether it was necessary, there's really not enough evidence yet to say. Looking at the list of investments now, I see 14 investors who put in £1k. If those investors actually wanted an average of about £5k each, this loan would be fully funded by now. We'll get more info tomorrow at 1600. Similar story in MT land - currently 90% left of their bid-restricted new loan. Might be a feast for a big hitter tomorrow. Or...
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 23, 2018 18:04:05 GMT
Still no evidence (as such) except a repeat of the claim which one presumes to be true. More to the point is the riskier loan now up on the platform worth a nibble @ 14%. Estate Agent has independently written this on the RM listing - what evidence are you actually expecting How about a letter from a solicitor confirming that contracts have been exchanged? As far as I'm concerned, SSTC definitely is not the same as SOLD -- because the buyer can withdraw at any time before the exchange takes place.
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Post by rogerthat on Feb 23, 2018 18:08:16 GMT
I'm ruminating and pontificating rather than slavering over this one...would be handy to know if any offers have been made for the other three flats ..btw congratulations on finding this thread despite this loan number not being mentioned anywhere within..how on earth did you manage it ? I'm learning. You can track progress of the other sales on RM. Look, it'll probably be fine. But, 2 points: a) in the unlikely event that there's something FS aren't telling us or aren't aware of yet (heaven forfend!) then all of the money in that facility hits the wall first, 14% interest and all. See the Formby development for a quite possible sad tale in progress along this line. b) in the quite possible event that the other flats take yonks to to sell (maybe they're not as good as the first 3 for some reason?), then it rather sounds like this guy might be having some cashflow challenges with his various loans. If he doesn't pay interest to renew the other loans, then bear in mind that every penny of the "interest that continues to accrue" on the main facility will be paid before the second facility gets a look in. I used to be so decisive..but now I'm not so sure I was only looking to throw some token offering at it ..but like you the time factor of disposing of the remaining three flats is what concerns me. I'm wondering how many of the flats have to be sold to pay off the main facility..£1.2m (hopefully) - £743K + Interest over X months ? but its Friday and I'm not sure I can be bothered. I quite like the development as its a fine building and will now be better utilised but sentiment and cash have always been poor bedfellows. Lets hope it fills sooner rather than later
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Post by mullet on Feb 23, 2018 19:24:00 GMT
Estate Agent has independently written this on the RM listing - what evidence are you actually expecting How about a letter from a solicitor confirming that contracts have been exchanged? As far as I'm concerned, SSTC definitely is not the same as SOLD -- because the buyer can withdraw at any time before the exchange takes place. Looks like these only went on the market a couple of weeks ago, so don't think we can reasonably expect exchange of contracts to have taken place yet The information that 3 are under offer is however indicative of the level of interest and that they have been reasonably priced ....unless they got their mate to put in 3 offers just to put the FS lenders off the scent - but I find that a bit far-fetched
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Post by adrian77 on Feb 23, 2018 20:01:39 GMT
ref above - as we all know estate agents often flag houses as "sold" within a development in order to try and force the market ... no idea if this is the case here.
it can easily be 6 months before the readies are in the bank for the "sold" flats
a £90K second ranking charge - pass me the Smutty Stick!
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Post by mullet on Feb 24, 2018 19:58:01 GMT
ref above - as we all know estate agents often flag houses as "sold" within a development in order to try and force the market ... no idea if this is the case here. it can easily be 6 months before the readies are in the bank for the "sold" flats a £90K second ranking charge - pass me the Smutty Stick! Maybe I'm being naive, but these are being marketed with multiple agents - surely that trick only works if they are the sole agents fyi despite my comments on this being more positive than everyone else's I'm still not going anywhere near the 90k additional loan either! ....but I'm comfortable holding onto the original facility
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 24, 2018 21:46:11 GMT
Indeed..maybe the £1K restriction was a honey trap? ..seems rather generous though for a lower ranked loan. I also wondered whether FS put the restriction on in the hope that it would make the loan look more attractive. Or perhaps as a sop to those who complained about the lack of restrictions on other recent FS offerings. As for whether it was necessary, there's really not enough evidence yet to say. Looking at the list of investments now, I see 14 investors who put in £1k. If those investors actually wanted an average of about £5k each, this loan would be fully funded by now. We'll get more info tomorrow at 1600. OK. The evidence is in, and the restriction definitely wasn't necessary. The restriction was lifted nearly six hours ago and the loan is now 79% funded. It looks like three investors added to the £1000 they put into the loan yesterday. One increased their investment to £1500, one to £5800, and one to £15k. I guess it'll be another few days before this is funded fully.
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Post by rogerthat on Feb 24, 2018 23:24:59 GMT
Strewth...91% funded @ 23.23 24th.. ...don't stop !
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Post by mikeymike on Feb 25, 2018 1:49:31 GMT
Honey trap is such a perjorative term. Unlike Fence-sitting which is a far more responsible term -- diplomatically speaking. We all have various issues with all the various platforms and yes steam needs to escape but not so much as to render train stationary.
Any Emile Zola / O Winston Link fans out there?
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Post by rogerthat on Feb 25, 2018 9:52:46 GMT
Honey trap is such a perjorative term. Unlike Fence-sitting which is a far more responsible term -- diplomatically speaking. We all have various issues with all the various platforms and yes steam needs to escape but not so much as to render train stationary. Any Emile Zola / O Winston Link fans out there? Diplomatically speaking...I think you need to get out more
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