lobster
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Post by lobster on Oct 15, 2017 11:15:05 GMT
Mmmm, another totally pointless "awaiting funds" non-update. 5 weeks overdue now - is anyone other than me starting to get a bad feeling about this loan ? Doing house price searches on the post-code doesn't cheer me up either .....
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Post by syalith on Oct 15, 2017 12:15:01 GMT
I'm not invested in this loan, but had a quick look out of interest and can see on rightmove that it last sold for £62,000 in August 2016. The borrower supposedly used the loan to refurbish the property so assuming that actually took place, the value should have increased slightly.
I don't think you need to be too worried as even if the borrower does not repay, it's a first charge so you should at least get back the vast majority of your capital even in the worst case scenario.
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Post by martin44 on Oct 15, 2017 12:27:31 GMT
lobster I was in the original loan, but not the renewal, because it was only a piddling loan for a 3 bed property i honestly didn't pay it much attention, the property was bought for £62k in august 16, zoopla shows a 5% drop in property prices on this street over the last 12 months, and yet FS are still pushing this for another renewal with ' Previously valued at £70,000, we have a realtime valuation that puts the current value between £85k-£129k, with an estimated OMV of £106,00.' my bold. So it would appear, in complete contradiction to zoopla estimates of a 5% drop, that this bungalow has increased its value by over 65% . Yet another ridiculous RICS over valuation. It's not on the market, so we can only assume the borrower, after 12 months, is still trying to get a BTL mortgage. Best hope for this is that the borrower finds the interest owed so they can re-new, then barge-pole it. Edit. Xed with syalith.
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Post by lobster on Oct 15, 2017 13:14:18 GMT
syalith and martin44 Thanks for your thoughts and observations. I too saw the Rightmove sale value of 62k on 2nd Aug 2016. Fair enough, but what seems more than puzzling to my mind is the fact that right underneath we see that the property exchanged hands for just 35k a mere 9 weeks earlier on 31st May 2016 ?? So this property saw a 77% increase in value in just 9 weeks ?? Really ?? Also, given the time for conveyancing etc , 9 weeks is quick to say the least.
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Post by martin44 on Oct 15, 2017 13:28:32 GMT
syalith and martin44 Thanks for your thoughts and observations. I too saw the Rightmove sale value of 62k on 2nd Aug 2016. Fair enough, but what seems more than puzzling to my mind is the fact that right underneath we see that the property exchanged hands for just 35k a mere 9 weeks earlier on 31st May 2016 ??
So this property saw a 77% increase in value in just 9 weeks ?? Really ?? Also, given the time for conveyancing etc , 9 weeks is quick to say the least. Wow. i didn't see that, which makes the rics valuation even more ridiculous , it does mention in the particulars something about a part exchange, i wonder if that was why the previous selling price was so low?
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Post by phil on Oct 15, 2017 15:15:54 GMT
lobster ' Previously valued at £70,000, we have a realtime valuation that puts the current value between £85k-£129k, with an estimated OMV of £106,00.' my bold. So it would appear, in complete contradiction to zoopla estimates of a 5% drop, that this bungalow has increased its value by over 65% . Yet another ridiculous RICS over valuation. I think RICS may be blameless with this valuation, it's stated that it's a "realtime valuation", I think I'd prefer a RICS to a "realtime valuation", though of course the accuracy of either is open to debate.
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Post by 09dolphin on Oct 15, 2017 16:32:33 GMT
Property prices area at best "fluid" at the moment but they are all "optimistic" in my view.
Frankly I would be cautious unless the valuation is in the order of 63.5% and even then I would be very cautious - but I would check previous sales prices as part of my DD. I personally find most of the valuations are, in my view, "optimistic" so I guess they are weighted towards the borrower. The valuations FS seem to accept seem to be based on the values of what could be achieved 6 - 12 months ago and assume there is little or no risk of a change.
Property prices are falling, especially in the London area. This is not reflected in present valuations. The risk of interest rate increases forcast for November will have an effect on property prices.
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Post by lobster on Oct 22, 2017 13:08:05 GMT
OK , so the latest update would like us to believe :
"Borrower is expecting to receive funds from a separate project - will renew this loan once funds received."
Yeah, right. Otherwise known as "Kicking the can down the road ......"
Six weeks overdue now. Does anyone know how long do FS usually wait before starting their loan recovery procedures ? Or does it depend on the quality of the bulls**t from the borrower ? Thanks.
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Post by r00lish67 on Oct 22, 2017 13:13:18 GMT
OK , so the latest update would like us to believe : "Borrower is expecting to receive funds from a separate project - will renew this loan once funds received."Yeah, right. Otherwise known as "Kicking the can down the road ......" Six weeks overdue now. Does anyone know how long do FS usually wait before starting their loan recovery procedures ? Or does it depend on the quality of the BS from the borrower ? Thanks. It's the latter. The Londonderry loans for example are now approaching the 500 day mark, and no recovery initiated. To be fair, it can genuinely be the right call. Despite popular opinion, I still hope/expect those loans to (eventually) repay - i do wish they'd get a move on though. Edit: for clarity, I meant I expect the Londonderry loans to repay, I haven't looked at Skewen.
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Post by ozboy on Oct 22, 2017 13:13:30 GMT
"Does anyone know how long do FS usually wait before starting their loan recovery procedures ?"You're joking right?!!! Aren't you?
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Post by lobster on Oct 29, 2017 11:29:32 GMT
Just had another of the dreaded "Funds awaited" updates. This loan is starting to smell highly unpleasant imo - particularly the recent update : "Borrower is expecting to receive funds from a separate project - will renew this loan once funds received."Errr , what "separate project" , precisely ? fundingsecure - have you considered asking the borrower when they expect to receive these funds from the "separate project" , given that the loan is already 7 weeks overdue ? Just a thought ......
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Post by rogerthat on Nov 10, 2017 18:37:59 GMT
Before my enlistment to FS but reading an email I see this is up for renewal on Saturday 11th..and looking at this thread wondered if there were any comments to add by any current or potential investors ?
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Post by mullet on Nov 10, 2017 19:44:09 GMT
Before my enlistment to FS but reading an email I see this is up for renewal on Saturday 11th..and looking at this thread wondered if there were any comments to add by any current or potential investors ? Firstly, it is now 1.5 years since the original loan which stated "Some minor refurbishment will be required to bring it to a high standard before being resold / let." ....so that is clearly nonsense. So it all comes down to whether you think £46k + fees can be recouped from this thing. In my view worse case you're not going to lose a fortune on this (although I come from a part of the country where 46k won't even buy you a parking space so not the type of property I know much about)
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Post by lobster on Nov 10, 2017 22:40:02 GMT
Before my enlistment to FS but reading an email I see this is up for renewal on Saturday 11th..and looking at this thread wondered if there were any comments to add by any current or potential investors ? Personally, the fact that it's 2 months late would make me nervous about renewing, but maybe that just me over-reacting. Even so, I won't be renewing myself.
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Post by rogerthat on Nov 10, 2017 22:54:21 GMT
Thanks for all the above..as someone completely new to this loan I can only look at the numerical statistics...the OMV being £106K..ish (though FS continue to use the original V of £70K...why is that I wonder with the modernisation finished) and the loan being £46K therefore 65.7%LTV.. Do they know something I don't ?
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