marka
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Post by marka on Nov 11, 2017 15:39:11 GMT
I am disappointed in the new "Reserve feature" that Kuflink have introduced ...
In the 3 months I have been testing the water with them I had come to view this platform as a potentially useful avenue for diversification - offering relatively low risk/return (compared to other property loans such as on MT/COL) for a lend and then forget option (on each individual loan) with minimal need for DD.
However the disingenuous way in which this is being touted attempts to claim that it has been introduced for the benefit of lenders, but in effect all it does is allow kuflink to have your money for a few more days without paying interest on it. It will not make any difference to your ability to get into a popular loan if everybody just deposits cash and reserves their investment in the same way as they do now when a new loan is announced - the only difference will be the lack of interest for a few days.
The few days interest doesn't amount to much and if they had been more honest in the way it was announced I wouldn't be bothered by it, but by thinking they can treat their lenders like idiots, my confidence in their integrity (which was previously pretty high) is shaken.
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Post by r00lish67 on Nov 11, 2017 15:49:48 GMT
I read it through once and came to the same conclusion as you, but thought i might have grabbed the wrong end of the stick. Yes, it's a bit poor isn't it - the golden chance to tie up our money on pipeline loans that may not even come to fruition? There's only been one loan I've seen so far that flew off the shelves (a 25% LTV), so I'm not convinced I see the value. kuflink Olivia , a much more enticing and investor-friendly approach would be for investors to earn 'instant returns' when they bid their funds a'la Ablrate or FundingSecure. Any chance this could be considered to perhaps increase the uptake of this feature?
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Post by keyboardworrier on Nov 11, 2017 15:55:26 GMT
I think bid limits would sort this situation out, I think the reserve feature just moves the goal posts (If a BH comes along and reserves a huge chunk of the loan we're in the same position as before!) , but maybe they will be implemented for smaller loans.
I should also add that I don't believe Kuflink are deliberately treating us as idiots
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Post by peerlessperil on Nov 11, 2017 15:57:15 GMT
I reluctantly agree. I fail to see how the reserve feature in any way changes the problem of popular loans filling quickly - they will fill just as quickly when they are made available for reservation. The announcement wasn't helped by Kuflink messing up on both of the 2 new loans made available for reservation. Both had 1st charge in the text and then stated 2nd charge in the summary template (both have now been corrected). Either they don't have a compliance officer, or they need a new one - at any FCA regulated firm the terms of an investment should be double-checked and signed off prior to marketing. Not kuflink's finest hour and they can ill afford to treat their lenders (a.k.a. cheap leverage providers) as idiots at this stage in their development.
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Post by shimself on Nov 11, 2017 17:25:18 GMT
I wrote to Danny to say much the same, that this doesn't solve the problem of people being tempted to invest before they have had time to do DD - but actually it could because you can withdraw your bid. There's no advantage to them in having our money early as far as I can see. I think it remains in the client account, and anyway as we all certainly know, having money in a bank account gets you small peanuts at best
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Post by kuflink on Nov 11, 2017 17:52:00 GMT
marka r00lish67 keyboardworrier peerlessperilMany thanks for your feedback and I acknowledge all your views. Apologies for the charge information. We have a new system in place and I believe we need to tighten our screws on DD post pushing data onto our staging platform. peerlessperil I can assure you, we have a full time compliance officer in place monitoring all our promotion material. All our team members are required to pass our compliance test (Compliancy Guru) before taking on their roles. I would also like to bring to your attention, we have a fair number of new team members who have recently joined the company and they are being brought up to speed with the systems / procedures in place. Having said that, please accept our unconditional apology for the faux pas regarding the charge information. On the issue of pipeline deals, we had some mixed views. A few of our investors felt that they missed out on deals by the time they topped up their wallet and got an opportunity to invest. The deals that have made it through to the platform (pipeline included) are always vetted by our credit committee. Whilst we can't guarantee the deals will 100% go through, the credit committee take a view they are well on track to completion. Pledged funds are still classified as client funds and sit in our segregated client account, this is just a way to ensure that some of you don't miss out on a good deal.I agree on setting a limit as suggested by keyboardworrier on the pledged amount making it a fair playing ground for everybody. I would like to remind you all, you can still pull out of your pledge by going through to the "My Investments" (top right menu) link. r00lish67, I hope para 3 has answered some of your queries i.e we only put deals into the pipeline that have a high likelihood of making it through. I do see your point regarding "instant returns" and will have to understand Funding Secure's structure on their implementation. In our case however, I believe it will falter on the issue of compliance, the process is a bit more complicated. I'll give a brief explanation; since Kuflink limited is a facilitator and not the originator of the loan, paying returns from Kuflink's pocket is not something the FCA would be happy about (please don't quote me on this but I am 99% certain). Kuflink Limited's role is to ensure all parts of the contracts are executed; Borrower has funds -> Kuflink limited on it's books now starts to calculate interest (we reserve interest funds daily in our client account) that has to be paid at the end of the month (or loan end date, whichever comes first). Please let me know if these answers have helped in any way. If not, @danny and I would be more than happy to get more information for you all. We welcome all feedback. Hari
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marka
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Post by marka on Nov 11, 2017 18:21:14 GMT
Thanks for the prompt response Hari (and on a weekend too!). However when you say ... Surely this new system could lead to the similar comment ... An initial limit, as suggested by keyboardworrier, is the most obvious solution. Also, and I'm just throwing ideas out here, if you really want to provide the opportunity to "reserve" a share of a loan, then how about allowing lenders to reserve an amount up to a maximum of the average of their last 5 (for example) investments, and then give them a period, perhaps a couple of hours, to deposit the cash to their wallet. That way at least those who don't have cash sitting idle have the same chance as those who do.
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Post by kuflink on Nov 11, 2017 18:37:49 GMT
marka - in all honesty, yes it does lead to the same problem hence I am with you all on the fact that we should cap investors to a certain level. This however is a compliance question and we are looking into it. I like the idea of having a deal pipeline and perhaps users could mark them for say, send me a notification when the deal goes online. Users have been given enough notice so can load up their wallet. Add to that the limit, the system works. On point of allowing for transfers after making an initial pledge, the system could get fairly complicated. We give users a unique reference per investment to transfer funds and many a times users are limited (or don't want to) in adding their new unique reference. Also, I believe the FCA won't be happy on reservations, again please don't quote me on this but we looked into it in the past and our compliance team wasn't happy with the idea. Kind regards, Hari
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Post by jnm21 on Jan 7, 2018 2:52:48 GMT
Hi, just reading through the threads, very interested in Kuflink as I have fallen out with 3 platforms (1 never got off the ground, a 2nd changed the rules & has still to notify me of the intent & the 3rd just seems too whimsical). I would like to suggest that you look at a limit formula; e.g. 1% of the loan max, doubling every 4 hours 09:00 to 17:00 - overnight on the first night that would limit everyone to 4% depending on the go live time. You may need to tweak the starting percentage, increment or timescale.
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Post by Olivia on Jan 8, 2018 15:12:12 GMT
Hi jnm21, I am glad to hear that you are interested in our platform. Thanks for your suggestions. This is certainly something I will forward over to our directors as a way to improve our reserve feature. If you have any questions in the meantime, please feel free to message me. Kind regards, Danny
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Post by jcb208 on Jan 11, 2018 9:35:11 GMT
I'm all for a limit on the smaller loans,missed out on Wednesdays loans as it was all gone by the time I had read the email and topped up my wallet, now I am going to have to withdraw what I deposited as I don't know how long the wait for another select investment will be
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Post by nyneil on Mar 12, 2018 18:42:49 GMT
You could implement a 'bottom up' process for allocating loans, similar to Lendy. If the reservations are over subscribed everyone receives the lowest amount, then this is incremented in stages until eventually big investors receive their full allocation only if funds permit.
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Post by Liz on Apr 11, 2018 9:48:19 GMT
I read this thread a few weeks ago and am still a bit confused. Why are some deals reserve and others not? I invested in A...a Road, yet this wasn't a reserve deal, despite it not officially closing until 3/5/18.
I thought reserve deals were the ones that hadn't drawndown and non reserve had drawndown, but that's not the case.
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Post by Olivia on Apr 11, 2018 14:42:35 GMT
Hello Liz, You are correct, reserve deals are those that have not yet drawn down, and live deals are those that have drawn down! Olivia. I read this thread a few weeks ago and am still a bit confused. Why are some deals reserve and others not? I invested in A...a Road, yet this wasn't a reserve deal, despite it not officially closing until 3/5/18. I thought reserve deals were the ones that hadn't drawndown and non reserve had drawndown, but that's not the case.
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Post by marka on Jun 9, 2018 12:34:31 GMT
It seems they have backtracked on this somewhat and are now going to resume paying interest from the time you assign cash to a loan, although according to the over-hyped email just received this is is being marketed as a brand new thing rather than a (near) return to original way of doing things.
Too little too late for me I'm afraid. I shall continue to let my holdings here run down as they're repaid.
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