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Post by roandy55 on Feb 12, 2018 16:11:46 GMT
I have just checked my transactions and can see I have received a Provision Fund interest payment for #233 today. As a fairly new investor I must admit to not having paid a great deal of attention to PF issues and I only have a very small amount invested in this particular loan via GBBA1. I am not sure therefore if this has any significance in the overall scheme of things.
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Post by SteveT on Feb 12, 2018 16:15:25 GMT
I have just checked my transactions and can see I have received a Provision Fund interest payment for #233 today. As a fairly new investor I must admit to not having paid a great deal of attention to PF issues and I only have a very small amount invested in this particular loan via GBBA1. I am not sure therefore if this has any significance in the overall scheme of things. Good spot. AFAIK, that is the first ever Provision Fund payout made to the GBBA.
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Post by teddy on Feb 12, 2018 16:20:19 GMT
I've received 4 x interest payments for each of the IL* windmill loans in the GEIA, well 3 out of the 4 that have gone bad. Nothing for #437, so I assume payments for this will be forthcoming when the hamster wakes up from his afternoon nap.
At least it's a start.
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on Feb 12, 2018 16:21:52 GMT
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Post by teddy on Feb 12, 2018 16:43:39 GMT
Stuart, having read the new PF terms page, I'm glad to see specific mention of the PF covering any capital shortfall from the sale of security on defaulted loans. While I realise all recovery cases are different, can you give a ballpark timescale for how long recovery action takes for a loan? I will make specific reference to the four turbine loans which need no futher identification, and which I'm heavily over invested in thanks to the incompetence of your IT system. Assuming these loans go bad, I'd like some idea of how long I would be without my 5 figure investment, which I have access to, and none of which, I assume, will be earning interest past the end of the loan term, if you were to have to go to recovery action.
I think many lenders in the GBBA and GEIA will be upset if years after a loan has gone bad, they're still without their capital because recovery action is taking so long. Would it not be better to automatically repay, from the PF, the principal investment to lenders at the end of term, and then replenish the PF from the sale of security?
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on Feb 12, 2018 16:59:29 GMT
Hi The directors of AC PF Limited review regularly those cases which are in recovery and close to realisation of the assets pledged in support of the loan. When realisation is complete (or when the prospect of further realisation becomes extremely unlikely) the directors can exercise their discretion to trigger the provision fund, provided sufficient funds are available. We have cases which are approaching this threshold and expect shortly to make payments in accordance with the provision fund terms. This new thread is where we are discussing this now. p2pindependentforum.com/thread/11647/provision-fund-paying-out-today
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 13, 2018 17:01:07 GMT
I've received 4 x interest payments for each of the IL* windmill loans in the GEIA, well 3 out of the 4 that have gone bad. Nothing for #437, so I assume payments for this will be forthcoming when the hamster wakes up from his afternoon nap. At least it's a start. Is there a reason that the PF interest payments haven't been paid out for #437 does anybody know? I've rung AC to ask them when they'll be made and they told me it could take up to 48 hours to get back to me about it ...
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Post by bikeman on Feb 23, 2018 16:46:00 GMT
I've received 4 x interest payments for each of the IL* windmill loans in the GEIA, well 3 out of the 4 that have gone bad. Nothing for #437, so I assume payments for this will be forthcoming when the hamster wakes up from his afternoon nap. At least it's a start. Is there a reason that the PF interest payments haven't been paid out for #437 does anybody know? I've rung AC to ask them when they'll be made and they told me it could take up to 48 hours to get back to me about it ... Esmeralda I am guessing you didn't get that reply in 48 hours? Here is what I have been told: The reason the #437 loan was not covered by the provision fund at this point is due to the fact that the borrower had defaulted on the loan and the loan was suspended before any missed interest payments occurred. That's right, you read right, the loan was suspended BEFORE the borrower defaulted so you get nothing from the PF. Yo couldn't make this up. Best advise is to cash out at the first sign of a late payment.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 23, 2018 17:14:49 GMT
A default doesnt have to relate to non-payment but can be a breach of conditions
Not in #437 (or any WT) so havent seen the latest info. ISTM that this turbine wasnt commisioned by the agreed date and I suspect that this is a default event. Therefore the loan was in default in July but the loan was not in arrears. As the PF doesnt cover interest after a default, no payment is due as interest wasnt in arrears until after the default event. The other three loans didnt have a default event prior to interest arrears accruing so the PF would have paid out accrued interest up until the default.
In this context AC reply would make sense
edit: crossed with paul as deleted original reply to investigate a bit to support previous deleted post
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Post by chris on Feb 23, 2018 17:17:06 GMT
Are you perhaps getting confused between AC’s definition on “default” (any deviation from the contract e.g. delaying management or monthly reports) and everyone else’s definition of default (not paying). Our definition of default is that used by the rest of the finance industry. It's the rest of the P2P industry trying to redefine a standard term.
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Post by ashtondav on Feb 23, 2018 17:33:37 GMT
Is there a reason that the PF interest payments haven't been paid out for #437 does anybody know? I've rung AC to ask them when they'll be made and they told me it could take up to 48 hours to get back to me about it ... Esmeralda I am guessing you didn't get that reply in 48 hours? Here is what I have been told: The reason the #437 loan was not covered by the provision fund at this point is due to the fact that the borrower had defaulted on the loan and the loan was suspended before any missed interest payments occurred. That's right, you read right, the loan was suspended BEFORE the borrower defaulted so you get nothing from the PF. Yo couldn't make this up. Best advise is to cash out at the first sign of a late payment. My understanding is that the PF pays out to make up any difference between the sale price achieved from the secured asset and the capital plus interest accrued on the loan for that asset. Based on my FS experience it can take at least a year between default and asset sale. I personally think that MLIA, QAA and the 30 day accounts are the best AC have to offfer. I think they made an error getting into the "fire and forget" accounts which are anything but "fire and forget" - although they have improved with the latest algorythm changes.
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Post by jlend on Jul 18, 2018 11:34:54 GMT
The Provision Fund is still referenced on the product pages ? For example - www.assetzcapital.co.uk/invest/our-accounts/property-secured-investment-account/how-it-works We have confirmed a few times recently that the late interest payment system fix will be going live imminently and is in testing now and have apologised for the delay, and confirmed several times that any expected losses of capital on loans in accounts covered by the PF, as per the last calculation, are more than fully covered by the cash held in the PF. Hi stuartassetzcapital Can you confirm if this is still correct based on any recent calculation you have made internally within AC? "...confirmed several times that any expected losses of capital on loans in accounts covered by the PF, as per the last calculation, are more than fully covered by the cash held in the PF." Can you share details of this calculation for each of the PF protected accounts? When was the last time any calculation was done to check each account? How often do you check, monthly? Cheers
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