michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Dec 8, 2017 17:18:17 GMT
SM seems to have slowed down cobsiderably this week. Not much is selling even though being top of the pile in a lot of them. Last week it was flying! I've been buying from the PM for a year or so but only just started looking at the SM. Its no wonder nothing is selling because it is largely overpriced. I would ignore: - everything that only has a few months left to run
- anything with a premium
- anything that isn't associated with a 1st legal charge
- most loans that are secondary tranches
- other obvious dross I'd ignored when it was available on the PM
That seems to leave nothing. I can only assume some folk sell some of this stuff to entice an unwitting newbie on the site (which in turn isn't good IMO for the platform or p2p in general).
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Post by Liz on Dec 8, 2017 17:24:52 GMT
SM seems to have slowed down cobsiderably this week. Not much is selling even though being top of the pile in a lot of them. Last week it was flying! I've been buying from the PM for a year or so but only just started looking at the SM. Its no wonder nothing is selling because it is largely overpriced. I would ignore: - everything that only has a few months left to run
- anything with a premium
- anything that isn't associated with a 1st legal charge
- most loans that are secondary tranches
- other obvious dross I'd ignored when it was available on the PM
That seems to leave nothing. I can only assume some folk sell some of this stuff to entice an unwitting newbie on the site (which in turn isn't good IMO for the platform or p2p in general). They are very general rules and tar every loan with the same brush. The first 2, yes I would for the right security and loan. The next 2, yes if the LTV is low enough. The last is down to personal opinion. Overall, if you don't know what you are doing they are good rules. Or maybe even avoid the SM altogether. (Or even avoid the the PM )
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 9, 2017 1:48:53 GMT
So if I sell a loan and avoid tax liability on the interest Ive earned on it - that will be reflected in my FS tax statement? Yes - won't be added to interest total, instead goes onto secondary market gain total (which is liable for CGT if you pay it) If you buy things with at + premium ie. 05% it will reduce your CGT liability by the premium amount and HMRC confirms this is CGT Loss so all you with large CGT liabilities elsewhere from selling properties take Note !! Avoid CGT without going to the Bahamas
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Post by Liz on Mar 6, 2018 0:44:03 GMT
77 loans now at the max 1% discount. Let's hope ISA season changes things, although I doubt it.
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Post by bg on Mar 6, 2018 8:29:13 GMT
77 loans now at the max 1% discount. Let's hope ISA season changes things, although I doubt it. It's just the panic over the Collateral debacle....i'm sure it will settle down in the coming weeks as people realise FS is fully authorised by the FCA and they start receiving repayments from the Collateral administrator. I think it would be helpful if the administrator restarted the Collateral website on a read only basis so give confidence back to investors - although I'm not sure how viable this is.
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Post by michaelc on Mar 6, 2018 22:02:17 GMT
77 loans now at the max 1% discount. Let's hope ISA season changes things, although I doubt it. It's just the panic over the Collateral debacle....i'm sure it will settle down in the coming weeks as people realise FS is fully authorised by the FCA and they start receiving repayments from the Collateral administrator. I think it would be helpful if the administrator restarted the Collateral website on a read only basis so give confidence back to investors - although I'm not sure how viable this is. As an ex software engineer at a very well known US tech company, I can at least reasonably speculate on its viability. Unhelpfully, it depends on the tech involved and whether or not they have retained the existing engineer(s). Most likely, there will be a backend database of some kind that they almost certainly will have or are in the process of taking an export (a snapshot if you like). I'm assuming as is likely, that database holds all permanent records of customers, loans, accounts etc. So the easiest thing might be to give the database user(s) read-only access to the tables in the database (assuming a standard sql rdms such as oracle or mysql). In theory that could be done in minutes but the problem with that is if we the customer attempted doing anything that involved writing to the database such buying/selling loans, a nasty sql error might be visible which is not very professional and worse if it was visible it might be unacceptable from a security point of view. So the most likely would be changes to the website backend and/or the database. If the quality of their software architecture is good, there is a central database holding the business logic and the person making the changes is already familiar with the software, I think implementing a read-only website of some kind ought to be doable in a number of days (including testing of course). Due to the number of unknowns, that is quite speculative but I thought I'd at least attempt to answer the implied question.
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Post by winger on Mar 8, 2018 15:59:38 GMT
77 loans now at the max 1% discount. Let's hope ISA season changes things, although I doubt it. I am struggling to sell anything at all on the SM at the moment, even offering a 1% discount. It makes you wonder why they limit the discount to that amount - surely that's a bit artificial, and is affecting liquidity? I have just copied the entire SM into a spreadsheet and, in case it is of interest, can confirm that it totals £1,351,900. Surprisingly, given that 94 of the 216 are offering the maximum discount, the average of all the Prem/Disc is -0.55%.
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Post by SteveT on Mar 8, 2018 16:19:05 GMT
77 loans now at the max 1% discount. Let's hope ISA season changes things, although I doubt it. I am struggling to sell anything at all on the SM at the moment, even offering a 1% discount. It makes you wonder why they limit the discount to that amount - surely that's a bit artificial, and is affecting liquidity? It was originally +/-4%, IIRC, but was tightened to +/-1% soon after the IFISA was launched, to try to stem the "dodgy dealing" that was going on as people shifted parts into their IFISAs. I suspect we'll see it relaxed to maybe +/-2% shortly.
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Post by Liz on Mar 8, 2018 17:01:48 GMT
The 1% discount just hit 100!!!! I did my job and took 1 out before.
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 8, 2018 17:57:48 GMT
The 1% discount just hit 100!!!! I did my job and took 1 out before. The FS SM is now basically a queue based system with a 1% discount. Cant help thinking the ABLrate system better as many people would sell with a higher than 1% discount in current climes.
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Post by bg on Mar 8, 2018 20:35:19 GMT
The 1% discount just hit 100!!!! I did my job and took 1 out before. The FS SM is now basically a queue based system with a 1% discount. Cant help thinking the ABLrate system better as many people would sell with a higher than 1% discount in current climes. Yes, what FS don't seem to understand is that restricting the SM in this way means we end up in a log jam situations like this which means money stops flowing through into new loans. Having said this I am seeing definite signs of an increase in loans sold over the last 24 hours and once the pendulum fully turns we will have the opposite situation with excess cash chasing too few loans again.
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Post by number5 on Mar 8, 2018 21:01:20 GMT
The FS SM is now basically a queue based system with a 1% discount. Cant help thinking the ABLrate system better as many people would sell with a higher than 1% discount in current climes. Yes, what FS don't seem to understand is that restricting the SM in this way means we end up in a log jam situations like this which means money stops flowing through into new loans. Having said this I am seeing definite signs of an increase in loans sold over the last 24 hours and once the pendulum fully turns we will have the opposite situation with excess cash chasing too few loans again. Agreed...there has deffo been an increase of sales on the SM. Especially after the 11am loans went out this morning.
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 8, 2018 21:36:36 GMT
The FS SM is now basically a queue based system with a 1% discount. Cant help thinking the ABLrate system better as many people would sell with a higher than 1% discount in current climes. Yes, what FS don't seem to understand is that restricting the SM in this way means we end up in a log jam situations like this which means money stops flowing through into new loans. Having said this I am seeing definite signs of an increase in loans sold over the last 24 hours and once the pendulum fully turns we will have the opposite situation with excess cash chasing too few loans again.I think people are becoming more selective, and tranche development loans may remain harder to shift.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 9, 2018 4:06:52 GMT
Agreed...there has deffo been an increase of sales on the SM. Especially after the 11am loans went out this morning. Another thing that happened in the afternoon was that non-renewing investors in the C****n Street received their capital and interest. That put something in excess of £500k into investors' accounts, and some of that likely would have gone into buying discounted SM parts.
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Post by stub8535 on Mar 9, 2018 5:13:33 GMT
The 1% discount just hit 100!!!! I did my job and took 1 out before. The FS SM is now basically a queue based system with a 1% discount. Cant help thinking the ABLrate system better as many people would sell with a higher than 1% discount in current climes. When the discount limits were 4% the queue was just as bad as it is now at 1% if people wanted out of a loan. FS were forced into narrowing the band's by fear of fines if it allowed greedy investors to churn parts using the discount system in order to create a loss on the main account and inflate the level of the ifisa. Abl don't seem too bothered but their system of discounts/ premiums offers a greater opportunity for the tax avoiders. I guess we will only know next tax year if any cases are brought by HMRC if they can see what's going on or not.
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