cobi
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Post by cobi on Dec 15, 2017 14:02:30 GMT
Has anyone complained to the financial ombudsman about Funding Circle? I will be complaining that autobid has ruined my portfolio which I have manually built up over years, and the potential returns on the new investments are not even near the advertised rate (mainly due to some very poor secondary market Loans). FC refuse to sell just my new autobid investments and require me to sell my whole portfolio.
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fasty
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Post by fasty on Dec 15, 2017 14:15:02 GMT
I feel your pain, but sadly there are too many caveats in the terms and conditions. In essence, you have given them permission to lose all your money if that's the way it pans out. The ombudsman would not be interested in the subtlety of autobid and so on. Unless you can cite something objective, concrete, measurable that FC have failed to do, then I suspect any complaint would be in vain.
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pickles
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Post by pickles on Dec 15, 2017 14:21:45 GMT
I'm not sure I follow what the issue is? You had to opt-in to autobid. If you hadn't you'd still have your manually picked portfolio, even if the total size was decreasing.
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Post by benaj on Dec 15, 2017 14:42:12 GMT
Has anyone complained to the financial ombudsman about Funding Circle? I will be complaining that autobid has ruined my portfolio which I have manually built up over years, and the potential returns on the new investments are not even near the advertised rate (mainly due to some very poor secondary market Loans). FC refuse to sell just my new autobid investments and require me to sell my whole portfolio. cobi : Have you received “unsuitable advice” from Funding circle to invest in a peer-to-peer scheme? It's the only way to get issue resolved. Autobid can't ruin the whole portfolio. At the moment, the target rate for new accounts is 7.2% after fees and bad debts deducted. Unless your portfolio is having 0% return, most 95% investors achieves over 4%+ by lending to 100+ different business loans.
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Post by blender on Dec 15, 2017 15:08:18 GMT
I can't see that you have a case there, cobi. They told you in advance exactly what they were going to do and you agreed by accepting the T&Cs and switching it on. A 'ruined portfolio' sounds an interesting concept, but it would involve a very subjective judgement, and it would be hard to prove unreasonable loss after only three months. I don't like the new system either, btw.
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cobi
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Post by cobi on Dec 15, 2017 15:21:36 GMT
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Post by skint4achange on Dec 15, 2017 16:30:48 GMT
At no point did FC force you to use Autobid. If you were so against it, you should have kept your portfolio and not invested in FC anymore.
The problem is that the returns are "Projected returns" and as such nothing is guaranteed. Coupled with the fact that Autobid had not been in use for 3 months yet, let alone a year means that the system has not had chance to prove a track record and as such your claims are unfounded.
I believe that the FCA will not entertain your complaint in any way shape or form.
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cobi
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Post by cobi on Dec 15, 2017 18:04:26 GMT
I was more than happy with Autobid at the beginning which was why I continued to invest. Then I noticed my projected return drop and upon investigation and found a load of high value SM loans had been bought which had poor returns. Until the loans prior to fixed rates have washed through the system there is the risk of picking these up and I think I got unlucky.
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Post by skint4achange on Dec 15, 2017 20:15:55 GMT
I was more than happy with Autobid at the beginning which was why I continued to invest. Then I noticed my projected return drop and upon investigation and found a load of high value SM loans had been bought which had poor returns. Until the loans prior to fixed rates have washed through the system there is the risk of picking these up and I think I got unlucky. And, as you have written above (In bold and underlined) is why the FCA would not give a complaint of this kind the time of day.
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Post by blender on Dec 15, 2017 23:10:52 GMT
I believe I have been miss sold. The projected rate when I invested was 7.5% when did it go down to 7.2? Using Funding Circles equations the weighted average projected rate for 46 secondary market loans I have received was 6%. I wouldn’t complain if I could back out but I don’t want to loose the rest of my portfolio. support.fundingcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/214636566-What-are-the-estimated-bad-debt-rates-and-how-are-they-calculated-www.fundingcircle.com/investors/current-estimated-returnBelow is a spreadsheet to calculate projected return from data from transactional statements and downloaded loan parts. Put all loan parts into sheet 'funding-circle-all-loan-parts' copy lines with SM loans from transactional statements into calcs and it should work out the projected return (not accurate as the loan is part way through lifecycle) I have left an example line in both sheets Cobi, I may be wrong but I think your projection misses the fact that FC's projected return is compounded by re-lending the repayments and interest from your loans. If you just take the loans you have and calculate the return from them as they are repaid then you might be about 0.5% (if I remember correctly) below FC's rate. The 7.5% was not promised - they have never done that. It is always a projection based on the last 'n' loans accepted. They can change the interest rates and the projections will change. You have to read their words quite carefully and mind the weasels.
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cobi
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Post by cobi on Dec 16, 2017 15:27:24 GMT
blender I think you are correct and I need to calculate the reinvested the interest which is paid out over the year. The repayments of capital is already catered for. I calculate the annual increases assuming interest was reinvested in same yielding loan 6% goes to 6.16% 7% goes to 7.23% . . 10% goes to 10.47%
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Post by dorset on Dec 18, 2017 11:23:52 GMT
I think that a good number of us are in your position Cobi. I put quite a few extra £k into FC manually in the days leading up to the 18 September with the view that I would then let the portfolio run down over the loan period. FC has not taken away your portfolio only the right to sell selectively.
This is what is now happening. I will stick with all of the loans to completion.
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Post by m2btj on Dec 18, 2017 17:54:04 GMT
I always felt that Autobid would sweep up the loans that no one else wanted & selected my own hand picked portfolio. My annualised return after fees & bad debts is currently 7% & my maximum exposure to any one business is 1.3% of current amount lent. I am however running down my FC account since the changes & withdrawing cash weekly. An interesting piece here from P2P Finance News. www.p2pfinancenews.co.uk/2017/12/15/funding-circle-refines-projected-returns-calculations/
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Post by markr on Dec 18, 2017 23:10:08 GMT
Interesting. From the clues given we can estimate the underlying distribution. Assuming the rates achieved by the population of investors is Normally distributed, the two data points (50% >= 7.5%, 65% >= 7.2%) tell us that that mean is 7.5% and the s.d. is about 0.75%. We can then use a normal distribution calculator to work out other probabilities. For example, around 1 in 50 unlucky investors will return less than 6%, but the luckiest 1 in 50 will return over 9%. The 5th and 95th percentile work out as 6.2% and 8.8%, which basically agrees with FC's graph on their stats page, at least to the resolution at which we can read that graph.
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blender
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Post by blender on Dec 19, 2017 13:44:22 GMT
Thanks, that distribution information is valuable. Though we should remember that the return quoted is still a projection of the most recent loans made, and not a promise for the performance of future loans. If they have to reduce the interest rates again to get the business, they will.
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