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Post by andy1 on Jan 17, 2018 13:36:57 GMT
I note that the minimum has now been reduced, and the loan deadline extended. Anyone fancy shaking a few more pennies into the pot? I've put a bit in and maybe more after a bit more thought on the matter. I do like the idea of giving the ferry a little competition. I remember years ago when the cross channel ferries had it all nicely stitched up and we got stitched up as a result. £300 quid to cross for two weeks in the summer, £1 for a day trip. GRRRRRRRR. I hardly ever visited the UK for years because of the cost of those damned ferries. One thought that crossed my mind is that someone mentioned that there could be shortages of fresh produce on the island when the weather kept the boats in port. I wonder what weather these can fly in? They can fly in weather that keeps the boat in port apparently and it sounds like you can take more risks if you don't have passengers. From the borrowing proposal... "Aircraft are not affected by storms or weather to the same degree as boats, and it is much easier to deploy a backup if technical issues arise. The freight aircraft are only affected by very high winds. Fog will cause temporary delays, but the flight will eventually take off as there are no passengers to consider."
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Post by stub8535 on Jan 17, 2018 13:37:35 GMT
I note that the minimum has now been reduced, and the loan deadline extended. Anyone fancy shaking a few more pennies into the pot? I've put a bit in and maybe more after a bit more thought on the matter. I do like the idea of giving the ferry a little competition. I remember years ago when the cross channel ferries had it all nicely stitched up and we got stitched up as a result. £300 quid to cross for two weeks in the summer, £1 for a day trip. GRRRRRRRR. I hardly ever visited the UK for years because of the cost of those damned ferries. One thought that crossed my mind is that someone mentioned that there could be shortages of fresh produce on the island when the weather kept the boats in port. I wonder what weather these can fly in? It's speed of resupply after conditions improve. An hour to shelves flying possibly whilst 4 to 5 hours by ship. Thinking about sea conditions after a storms winds have passed I think the aircraft could get away first and maybe do a second run b4 the ferry docks.
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Post by stub8535 on Jan 17, 2018 13:39:48 GMT
I've put a bit in and maybe more after a bit more thought on the matter. I do like the idea of giving the ferry a little competition. I remember years ago when the cross channel ferries had it all nicely stitched up and we got stitched up as a result. £300 quid to cross for two weeks in the summer, £1 for a day trip. GRRRRRRRR. I hardly ever visited the UK for years because of the cost of those damned ferries. One thought that crossed my mind is that someone mentioned that there could be shortages of fresh produce on the island when the weather kept the boats in port. I wonder what weather these can fly in? It's speed of resupply after conditions improve. An hour to shelves flying possibly whilst 4 to 5 hours by ship. Thinking about sea conditions after a storms winds have passed I think the aircraft could get away first and maybe do a second run b4 the ferry docks. Crossed with andy1
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Post by dan1 on Jan 17, 2018 19:38:00 GMT
I've put a bit in and maybe more after a bit more thought on the matter. I do like the idea of giving the ferry a little competition. I remember years ago when the cross channel ferries had it all nicely stitched up and we got stitched up as a result. £300 quid to cross for two weeks in the summer, £1 for a day trip. GRRRRRRRR. I hardly ever visited the UK for years because of the cost of those damned ferries. One thought that crossed my mind is that someone mentioned that there could be shortages of fresh produce on the island when the weather kept the boats in port. I wonder what weather these can fly in? They can fly in weather that keeps the boat in port apparently and it sounds like you can take more risks if you don't have passengers. From the borrowing proposal... "Aircraft are not affected by storms or weather to the same degree as boats, and it is much easier to deploy a backup if technical issues arise. The freight aircraft are only affected by very high winds. Fog will cause temporary delays, but the flight will eventually take off as there are no passengers to consider." I really hope it's not because they take greater risks - peoples lives are at stake. I would hope it's because of things like scheduling, the time taken to embark/disembark, having to keep the passenger services running (staffing the terminal, providing comms, etc). A cargo flight could have crew on standby waiting for a break in the weather and get off the ground far quicker than a passenger service.
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Post by stub8535 on Jan 18, 2018 0:38:09 GMT
Quite timely that 2 ferries were cancelled yesterday and todays was rescheduled forwards 30 minutes.
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Post by SteveT on Jan 18, 2018 11:16:38 GMT
Happily this one looks likely to get airborne shortly. Less than £5k needed to reach the amended £700k minimum funding...
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Post by r1200gs on Jan 18, 2018 12:47:16 GMT
Happily this one looks likely to get airborne shortly. Less than £5k needed to reach the amended £700k minimum funding... Done.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 18, 2018 12:56:11 GMT
I wonder what they'll do with the excess, assuming funding continues to accumulate. Seems odd to borrow £850k at rather high rate of interest if you only actually need £700k. Maybe they'll buy a couple of drones, or a towable glider?
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Post by madpierre on Jan 18, 2018 13:09:19 GMT
I wonder what they'll do with the excess, assuming funding continues to accumulate. Seems odd to borrow £850k at rather high rate of interest if you only actually need £700k. Maybe they'll buy a couple of drones, or a towable glider? Or use it to pay the interest?
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Post by stub8535 on Jan 18, 2018 13:31:26 GMT
I wonder what they'll do with the excess, assuming funding continues to accumulate. Seems odd to borrow £850k at rather high rate of interest if you only actually need £700k. Maybe they'll buy a couple of drones, or a towable glider? Or use it to pay the interest? To ensure m2 and 3 are stable backed by cash until issued invoices get paid on time to contract. Once they see the cashflow settle they can pay back surplus on the loan. Of course, they could pay dividends to those that took an equity stake but that's unlikely.🤔
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Post by andy1 on Jan 18, 2018 16:44:14 GMT
They can fly in weather that keeps the boat in port apparently and it sounds like you can take more risks if you don't have passengers. From the borrowing proposal... "Aircraft are not affected by storms or weather to the same degree as boats, and it is much easier to deploy a backup if technical issues arise. The freight aircraft are only affected by very high winds. Fog will cause temporary delays, but the flight will eventually take off as there are no passengers to consider." I really hope it's not because they take greater risks - peoples lives are at stake. I would hope it's because of things like scheduling, the time taken to embark/disembark, having to keep the passenger services running (staffing the terminal, providing comms, etc). A cargo flight could have crew on standby waiting for a break in the weather and get off the ground far quicker than a passenger service. Goods points and certainly a factor I hadn't thought about but I wouldn't dismiss the risk thing totally. For example, it seems obvious to me that a military aircraft will operate with far more risk than a commercial passenger flight in many ways, and people's lives are at stake there too. I would believe that they could and would fly in conditions that would ground a passenger flight. On that basis it seemed plausible to me that a cargo flight might be less constrained than a passenger flight. Pure speculation on my part though...
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Post by pom on Jan 18, 2018 17:25:49 GMT
More the case I think that if you don't have passengers you have more flexibility as to when and how soon you can depart.
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Post by d_saver on Jan 19, 2018 11:21:26 GMT
Seems to me that the pilot / co-pilot will always put their own safety ahead of anyone or anything else and that on that basis the probability of a plane taking off should be the same whether it had passengers or not. Taking off is easy. It's getting back down that's the problem In all seriousness though, whilst pilots certainly have a good degree of self preservation instinct, commercial passenger airline pilots can be under significant pressure to meet obligations. There are usually specific written minima in place to restrict operations when weather is bad, set both in law and under the operators own policies. I'm not actually aware if these change significantly with regards to passengers (in air law at least). Operating without passengers usually gives you some additional flexibility. Probably mostly due to the fact you can turn around quickly, go in narrow weather windows and don't have passenger comfort to worry about. I would expect it to fly more often than a passenger aircraft as a result. I'm following this venture with interest, just because it's an interesting one for me and mirrors some ventures/geography local to me also.
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Post by blender on Jan 25, 2018 17:20:48 GMT
And it's full! Congrats to Ablrate.
No need to race to draw it down - I am happy with instant returns for a bit longer. Next week will be fine.
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Post by davids on Jan 25, 2018 21:29:47 GMT
soon filled up with the release of that e-mail!
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