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Post by crabbyoldgit on Jan 15, 2018 21:51:08 GMT
Yes i will recommend AC , I think over all the elements that I think are important they are head and shoulders above the rest. However the diversification issues within the black box accounts have been a sleeping monster ,kind of always pushed back in the to do list and now I think starting to hurt the ability of the platform to attract and retain the kind of investors they wish to target, non mlia. The new program and hardware better perform or I think permanent damage will be done to the platforms reputation and medium term bottom line. In the end this is as much an IT company as a financial service provider. I am glad I am not in Chris's seat it must be getting pretty dam hot.
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Post by ashtondav on Jan 15, 2018 22:44:38 GMT
AC ought to be strung out to dry wrt their "provision fund". It’s a bl**dy nonsense when someone can say they’ve had a defaulted loan since summer 2017 and not a payment from the PF. The ONLY justification for a frankly ludicrous 20% "diversification" level, is a functioning PF - otherwise it’s a disgrace.
i recommend their QAA. I wouldn’t touch anything else with a barge pole and a peg on my nose - until the "February changes".
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Post by msenanna on Jan 15, 2018 22:58:16 GMT
I was intending to open an IFISA with AC this year, but the issues surrounding more than 20% in one loan (I wouldn't want more than 5%), buying loans about to/already default have put me off. I am in the MILA but would have been happy to go into GBBA2 for ease and more diversification.
I think I'll wait until these issues resolved, perhaps in Feb but will await confirmation that the changes have indeed solved some/all of these issues.
Not sure why AC think having 20% of one's money in one fund is a good thing?!
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Post by ashtondav on Jan 15, 2018 23:40:06 GMT
Not sure why AC think having 20% of one's money in one fund is a good thing?! They don’t. It’s incompetence., masquerading as a business model duped by poor IT. For a real giggle go to their default stats. Hmmm, no defaults. EVER. Oh right. Oh wrong! They have defaults but don’t like calling them defaults so they have no defaults. AC have a unique approach to the PF concept - it doesn’t pay out until your grand kids are drawing their pensions. At least until the fabled February changes. Watch that space, and until then bung it in the AC QAA account, which is really quite good.
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Post by zlb on Jan 15, 2018 23:45:42 GMT
I'm still erring on the side of judgement which says there's been poor communication within AC. But for some to think there will be significant change in Feb, and the AC capital helpdesk to say they don't know about this is a bit strange, and not helpful to customers/lenders.
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Post by msenanna on Jan 16, 2018 0:22:14 GMT
AC have a unique approach to the PF concept - it doesn’t pay out until your grand kids are drawing their pensions. At least until the fabled February changes. Watch that space, and until then bung it in the AC QAA account, which is really quite good. I was thinking about the QAA account or possibly the 30 day account as won't need immediate access to funds given its ISA money (i.e. shouldn't be touched easily - in my book anyway). I shall ponder/procrastinate a couple more days and then get my act together and sort my ISA situation out.
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Post by df on Jan 16, 2018 20:20:22 GMT
I was intending to open an IFISA with AC this year, but the issues surrounding more than 20% in one loan (I wouldn't want more than 5%), buying loans about to/already default have put me off. I am in the MILA but would have been happy to go into GBBA2 for ease and more diversification. I think I'll wait until these issues resolved, perhaps in Feb but will await confirmation that the changes have indeed solved some/all of these issues. Not sure why AC think having 20% of one's money in one fund is a good thing?! Just guessing, but giving the amount of loans qualified for GBBA2, having 5% limit could result in very slow allocation of funds. IMO the best AC account for diversification is MLA. No PF, but you are in control of your investments. I have funds in GBBA1/GEA and intend to let them run for as long as they exist, but not planning to invest in any new auto accounts. I will keep using 30-day and QAA as they are useful for cash storage.
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Post by msenanna on Jan 16, 2018 20:26:50 GMT
I was intending to open an IFISA with AC this year, but the issues surrounding more than 20% in one loan (I wouldn't want more than 5%), buying loans about to/already default have put me off. I am in the MILA but would have been happy to go into GBBA2 for ease and more diversification. I think I'll wait until these issues resolved, perhaps in Feb but will await confirmation that the changes have indeed solved some/all of these issues. Not sure why AC think having 20% of one's money in one fund is a good thing?! Just guessing, but giving the amount of loans qualified for GBBA2, having 5% limit could result in very slow allocation of funds. IMO the best AC account for diversification is MLA. No PF, but you are in control of your investments. I have funds in GBBA1/GEA and intend to let them run for as long as they exist, but not planning to invest in any new auto accounts. I will keep using 30-day and QAA as they are useful for cash storage. Yes, I intend to stick with the MLA but have now opened my AC IFISA with a few pennies and leaving it in the QAA until MLA is accessible through the ISA. Not keen on going into the GBBA2 via ISA until I see evidence that the diversification issue is resolved post Feb. Hence no mad rush to open the ISA. The lack of PF is not a deal breaker as am already investing elsewhere with no PF (albeit it at higher rates which makes it feel 'worth it').
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 16, 2018 22:46:01 GMT
I think AC is basically a good option but just needs to fine tune some things to become class leading. - define when the PF steps in ("under normal circumstances", same disclaimer as QAA) - say after 6 or 12 months, so people know the score - make the allocations in the auto accounts uniform, just like the QAA/30 day, so one doesn't randomly get big amounts in any one loan. - open the MLIA for the ISA
At the moment, having a large percentage in the auto accounts stuck indefinitely is the biggest down side. Sure, you might get some stuck loans in the MLIA too, but no one sensible would have 20% of their investment in 1 loan, so the risk is in fact lower (and the returns higher) in the MLIA as things stand.
I would say only use the QAA/30 day rolling and/or MLIA for now. On the plus side, 3.75% tax free instant access is a decent place to hold in a flexible ISA.
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Post by ashtondav on Jan 17, 2018 12:01:45 GMT
I think AC is basically a good option but just needs to fine tune some things to become class leading. - define when the PF steps in ("under normal circumstances", same disclaimer as QAA) - say after 6 or 12 months, so people know the score - make the allocations in the auto accounts uniform, just like the QAA/30 day, so one doesn't randomly get big amounts in any one loan. - open the MLIA for the ISA At the moment, having a large percentage in the auto accounts stuck indefinitely is the biggest down side. Sure, you might get some stuck loans in the MLIA too, but no one sensible would have 20% of their investment in 1 loan, so the risk is in fact lower (and the returns higher) in the MLIA as things stand. AIUI, those issues are to be addressed in February, buts its alarming to hear that some AC departments are unaware of a February change! Accounts other than MLIA, 30 day and QAA are not fit for purpose, currently.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 17, 2018 12:05:02 GMT
I think AC is basically a good option but just needs to fine tune some things to become class leading. - define when the PF steps in ("under normal circumstances", same disclaimer as QAA) - say after 6 or 12 months, so people know the score - make the allocations in the auto accounts uniform, just like the QAA/30 day, so one doesn't randomly get big amounts in any one loan. - open the MLIA for the ISA At the moment, having a large percentage in the auto accounts stuck indefinitely is the biggest down side. Sure, you might get some stuck loans in the MLIA too, but no one sensible would have 20% of their investment in 1 loan, so the risk is in fact lower (and the returns higher) in the MLIA as things stand. AIUI, those issues are to be addressed in February, buts its alarming to hear that some AC departments are unaware of a February change! Accounts other than MLIA, 30 day and QAA are not fit for purpose, currently. The last two, yes, and will be very welcome. The first one, I haven't heard about - any source?
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Post by valerieb on Jan 17, 2018 13:09:28 GMT
I think the QA and 30 day accounts are excellent market-leaders for the stashing of cash you know you will need to withdraw in say 6 months or so. Having withdrawn a large percentage of my P2P investments across various platforms last summer to support a house purchase by one of my sons, all the cash went straight back into the 30day account when the purchase fell through. This is money I no longer regard as mine so am not going to put at risk. Other cash I invest almost exclusively through the ML account. I dabbled in the Property and Green accounts just to see how they worked. Managed to withdraw almost all from Property over a few weeks (a stubborn £2.50 remains) and about 80% from Green, although no sales here since late Dec. In my experience, liquidity in the ML account is good if you are careful in the choice of loans. For cash I may need back in say 6-12 months, I post requests for smaller loans, LTV less than 70%, that aren't constantly shown with £££s of units available for immediate purchase. It isn't instant but opportunities do come up for some of the older loans at 8% plus rates.
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Post by jonah on Jan 17, 2018 20:03:13 GMT
AIUI, those issues are to be addressed in February, buts its alarming to hear that some AC departments are unaware of a February change! Accounts other than MLIA, 30 day and QAA are not fit for purpose, currently. The last two, yes, and will be very welcome. The first one, I haven't heard about - any source? This post I think.... p2pindependentforum.com/post/237379/thread
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 17, 2018 23:20:54 GMT
Thanks - yes, that is a bit clearer, though it isn't stated when any ongoing interest payments might start. Like I said, with those tweaks I think AC will effectively cover most people's P2P needs, except the highest risk/highest return end (which I think they have made a conscious attempt to withdraw from, and which other sites cover just fine). Even with the changes, I'll still be focusing on the MLIA and QAA/30 day in future, with ISA cash (I'm gradually putting all my P2P into ISA wrapping, which is far and away the most important factor deciding which platforms I am focussed on - currently up to 71% of P2P investments within ISA wrapping), but it will cost me time to deal with the necessary MLIA management.
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Post by wayne12 on Jan 20, 2018 19:31:37 GMT
I would say yes, at least compared to the larger alternatives e.g. FC and Ratesetter. Secured loans are always better than unsecured which the other two largely offer. P.S. the ability to pick and choose your own loans is also a plus.
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