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Post by rogerthat on Jan 5, 2018 11:16:20 GMT
This is as rock solid as Windsor Castle....kerching...get in...av it..fill yer boots
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 5, 2018 16:05:03 GMT
All gone in less than 3 minutes, I took a very modest holding (3 figures) compared to some! £40k and £28k stick out I find it interesting that there were such large investments considering that no bonuses were offered for larger investments. With this exception, FS investors seem to be less than enthusiastic at the moment. The four investments currently available have been available for some time, and activity on the SM seems to be low judging from the discounts sellers are offering in an attempt to attract buyers.
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Post by james21 on Jan 5, 2018 16:45:24 GMT
All gone in less than 3 minutes, I took a very modest holding (3 figures) compared to some! £40k and £28k stick out I find it interesting that there were such large investments considering that no bonuses were offered for larger investments. With this exception, FS investors seem to be less than enthusiastic at the moment. The four investments currently available have been available for some time, and activity on the SM seems to be low judging from the discounts sellers are offering in an attempt to attract buyers. It was popular because its a new loan and has an LTV of 45%. I am surprised the Maryport one is not filling quickly, am not seeing anything wrong with it; new loan, and has planning in place?
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 5, 2018 16:54:40 GMT
All gone in less than 3 minutes, I took a very modest holding (3 figures) compared to some! £40k and £28k stick out I find it interesting that there were such large investments considering that no bonuses were offered for larger investments. With this exception, FS investors seem to be less than enthusiastic at the moment. The four investments currently available have been available for some time, and activity on the SM seems to be low judging from the discounts sellers are offering in an attempt to attract buyers. This one appealed to me as to my mind it's essentially a 1st charge bridging loan against the completed property, which is also reassuringly demonstrably for sale. Comparables suggest that perhaps the asking price will come down a way, but with the low-ish LTV I don't see that as being too much of an issue. The 2nd property may linger, but I'd have thought that the loan should be either significantly part-repaid or probably renewed once the first sells. Compared to what seems to be an endless parade of 'pass-the-parcel' holes in the ground lots recently, it seemed like a reasonable shout. Time will tell. Re: the SM, I'm not sure if it's a lack of enthusiasm or simply the huge glut of loans that have been coming in waves of 3 or 4 a day for the last month causing an over-supply. The start of the new tax year will certainly help once we get there..
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Post by ozboy on Jan 5, 2018 17:18:56 GMT
I find it interesting that there were such large investments considering that no bonuses were offered for larger investments. With this exception, FS investors seem to be less than enthusiastic at the moment. The four investments currently available have been available for some time, and activity on the SM seems to be low judging from the discounts sellers are offering in an attempt to attract buyers. It was popular because its a new loan and has an LTV of 45%. I am surprised the Maryport one is not filling quickly, am not seeing anything wrong with it; new loan, and has planning in place? It's the VRs innit? Even after exhaustive DD which turns up nothing particularly untoward and looks a gift horse staring straight at you, Lenders are still wary of investing, thinking " What's the catch, what haven't I been told?"This of course is the inevitable fallout from the well publicised (on here) VR Industry.
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Post by james21 on Jan 5, 2018 17:41:28 GMT
It was popular because its a new loan and has an LTV of 45%. I am surprised the Maryport one is not filling quickly, am not seeing anything wrong with it; new loan, and has planning in place? It's the VRs innit? Even after exhaustive DD which turns up nothing particularly untoward and looks a gift horse staring straight at you, Lenders are still wary of investing, thinking " What's the catch, what haven't I been told?"This of course is the inevitable fallout from the well publicised (on here) VR Industry. In this case the VR is recent, thorough and completed by a quality valuer; again cant see a problem with the Maryport loan, but agree FS has accepted some very poor quality VR's especially the borrower supplied ones
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Post by adrian77 on Jan 5, 2018 18:10:19 GMT
Agree with the above but I still wonder why this builder could not borrow money vastly cheaper (as I can) - maybe she knows something we don't?
However one to flag and see how it develops - maybe I should have gone for it and ditched it when or if it comes to renewal...
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Post by greenslime on Jan 5, 2018 18:21:01 GMT
I do know from an estate agent friend that certain areas especially in south Armagh that it's near impossible to get a mortgage. Some of the enterprising chaps around that neck of the woods threaten potential purchasers of their repossessed houses in order to buy them back for a fraction of the market price. The town that the properties on which this loan is secured is very near the border between NI and ROI which means there might be some risk to the value if brexit negotiations fail. Sounds about right. I was last in the place about 30 years ago - the natives were not welcoming, although that may have been the uniform. I reckon that post-Brexit there's a serious risk of the border area reverting to the Wild West it was in my day. I'm running down in FS anyway but this one wouldn't get a penny of my money.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Jan 5, 2018 18:22:54 GMT
It's the VRs innit? Even after exhaustive DD which turns up nothing particularly untoward and looks a gift horse staring straight at you, Lenders are still wary of investing, thinking " What's the catch, what haven't I been told?"This of course is the inevitable fallout from the well publicised (on here) VR Industry. In this case the VR is recent, thorough and completed by a quality valuer; again cant see a problem with the Maryport loan, but agree FS has accepted some very poor quality VR's especially the borrower supplied ones That's entirely my point james21, even when a VR is as you say, Investors are still wary. The climate now of severe distrust overcomes even a gold plated cover studded with diamonds and platinum pages VR. The golden goose has been well & truly overcooked, and RICS are ultimately entirely to blame for ignoring what is a loooooong known and complained about, ahem, "problem."
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Post by michaelc on Jan 5, 2018 19:06:15 GMT
Intuition, gut feeling, nothing else, NI makes me jumpy, for no specific reason. Upon further reflection I would put forward the VERY cavalier attitude of many NI Borrowers does not impress me. Frankly, it scares the bejaysus out of me. So I simply refuse to give 'em my money. Thanks as ever for your analysis. It really is refreshing to read such an honest account. Thankfully though, I didn't take your advice or that of your esteemed associates, and got myself a nice chunk.
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Post by ozboy on Jan 5, 2018 19:22:41 GMT
Intuition, gut feeling, nothing else, NI makes me jumpy, for no specific reason. Upon further reflection I would put forward the VERY cavalier attitude of many NI Borrowers does not impress me. Frankly, it scares the bejaysus out of me. So I simply refuse to give 'em my money. Thanks as ever for your analysis. It really is refreshing to read such an honest account. Thankfully though, I didn't take your advice or that of your esteemed associates, and got myself a nice chunk. Go for it michaelc, bravery has it's rewards!
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Post by ozboy on Jan 5, 2018 19:29:08 GMT
I do know from an estate agent friend that certain areas especially in south Armagh that it's near impossible to get a mortgage. Some of the enterprising chaps around that neck of the woods threaten potential purchasers of their repossessed houses in order to buy them back for a fraction of the market price. The town that the properties on which this loan is secured is very near the border between NI and ROI which means there might be some risk to the value if brexit negotiations fail. Sounds about right. I was last in the place about 30 years ago - the natives were not welcoming, although that may have been the uniform. I reckon that post-Brexit there's a serious risk of the border area reverting to the Wild West it was in my day. I'm running down in FS anyway but this one wouldn't get a penny of my money. I like you greenslime.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 5, 2018 19:34:19 GMT
and activity on the SM seems to be low judging from the discounts sellers are offering in an attempt to attract buyers. I'm wondering if we are logging into the same site? When I order the secondary market by number of days remaining and look at the loans that have a good period of time left on them I see they are _all_ being offered at a premium including this loan !
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 5, 2018 20:55:04 GMT
and activity on the SM seems to be low judging from the discounts sellers are offering in an attempt to attract buyers. I'm wondering if we are logging into the same site? When I order the secondary market by number of days remaining and look at the loans that have a good period of time left on them I see they are _all_ being offered at a premium including this loan ! michaelc: I tend to order them by descending Effective Rate. There have been times when the best rate available was around 15%, whereas right now the top rate is over 20% and there are more than 15 other loans showing parts available at returns over 16%. That's what prompted my comment. I accept that most of those are pretty short-dated, so they won't appeal to tax-paying investors, but FS have lots of business and ISA investors who could take advantage of those rates but are choosing not to. I'd happily hold some of those loan parts in my own ISA, but it doesn't have any free cash at the moment and I can't add any more at this time. Perhaps the problem for business and ISA investors who are happy to buy short-dated parts is that there haven't been many loans repaid in recent weeks so there isn't much cash available to invest. The accrued interest in my ISA at the moment is 8.0% of the face value of the parts, so if the portfolio average interest rate is 13% the average term calculates to be 225 days, and that means the portfolio contains a lot of overdue loans.
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Post by investor1925 on Jan 6, 2018 11:09:56 GMT
There's over £10k on the SM for this loan today, less than 24 hrs after it went on sale, & all at a premium.
Who'd buy that when there are many more attractive bits available.
I'd always wondered where the flippers from FC had gone.
Not for me I'm afraid
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