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Post by skint4achange on Feb 2, 2018 18:20:04 GMT
I am getting out of P2P (Especially Lendy) as my friends have found an easier way for me to make money.
I have to go into a bullring, blindfolded and remove a wad of notes that my friends have cellotaped to a lions testicles using only a Taser gun and cut throat razor.
I figure I have a better chance of making money that way than waiting for Lendy to come up with a meaningful update!
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Post by izigor on Feb 2, 2018 18:38:35 GMT
I am looking forward to the IFISA being opened up on Lendy. Perhaps then the SM will move as money is blindly piled in and I can get out of Dodge.
I have a feeling that Lendy do not want to make the IFISA open like their current market. I have this fear (based on the survey they made some time ago and their general approach of selfishness, even against Lender's interest) they are looking to offer something more packaged/obscure. They will probably target the 40%ers and offer fixed bonds etc.
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Post by izigor on Feb 2, 2018 18:40:02 GMT
I am getting out of P2P (Especially Lendy) as my friends have found an easier way for me to make money.
I have to go into a bullring, blindfolded and remove a wad of notes that my friends have cellotaped to a lions testicles using only a Taser gun and cut throat razor.
I figure I have a better chance of making money that way than waiting for Lendy to come up with a meaningful update! Don't over-exagerate, this is pure fantasy since you will not be able to get the money out of the Secondary market ...
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 2, 2018 18:57:13 GMT
I am getting out of P2P (Especially Lendy) as my friends have found an easier way for me to make money.
I have to go into a bullring, blindfolded and remove a wad of notes that my friends have cellotaped to a lions testicles using only a Taser gun and cut throat razor.
I figure I have a better chance of making money that way than waiting for Lendy to come up with a meaningful update! Go on! live a little. You had worse to contend with in the forces😉
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Post by skint4achange on Feb 2, 2018 19:00:01 GMT
I am getting out of P2P (Especially Lendy) as my friends have found an easier way for me to make money.
I have to go into a bullring, blindfolded and remove a wad of notes that my friends have cellotaped to a lions testicles using only a Taser gun and cut throat razor.
I figure I have a better chance of making money that way than waiting for Lendy to come up with a meaningful update! Go on! live a little. You had worse to contend with in the forces😉 Yep, in the forces we wasn't given the Taser and the cut throat razor! We had to use just our teeth!
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Post by elliotn on Feb 3, 2018 5:37:08 GMT
Found the newsletter largely relevant ie reiterating recoveries and hires. They’re pretty insistent on Paignton and maybe Wolverhampton finally redeeming within 4-6 weeks which would overhaul sentiment on the SM in the short term. Big auction day mid Feb so might also get some movement on some of the problem children which may help medium term sentiment; there may not be unadulteratedly good news but would at least progress cleaning up some of the mess in DEF.
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Post by spareafewcoppersguv on Feb 3, 2018 13:53:11 GMT
Another £2.5ish mill loans heading for default in Feb, then the same again in March unless Ly actually do manage to resolve any of them. The repayments aren't keeping up, and the % of the total loan book either in default or suspended (essentially the same in my eyes) heads steadily North
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Post by charliebrown on Feb 4, 2018 2:37:23 GMT
Why do people/ companies take out loans they can’t repay. I understand that there is occasionally unforeseen circumstances, but surely not as frequently as Lendy loans are going bad. As we stand, default and suspension is a lot more common than repayment. When a loan repays we celebrate as though we got really lucky, like the expectation from the start is that it won’t repay and we were lucky that it did. There’s either an awful lot of unforeseen circumstances or people/ companies are taking out these loans with no intention of ever repaying them.
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Post by Balder on Feb 4, 2018 10:34:16 GMT
I think part of the issue with Lendy is the model they use. Because interest is taken up front this causes the loan repayment time to be "matched" to meet the funds and LTV limits so we see many loans start that will never re-pay in the timescales quoted. This is obviously in addition to the "crooks" out there.
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Post by loftankerman on Feb 4, 2018 11:12:56 GMT
Why do people/ companies take out loans they can’t repay. I understand that there is occasionally unforeseen circumstances, but surely not as frequently as Lendy loans are going bad. As we stand, default and suspension is a lot more common than repayment. When a loan repays we celebrate as though we got really lucky, like the expectation from the start is that it won’t repay and we were lucky that it did. There’s either an awful lot of unforeseen circumstances or people/ companies are taking out these loans with no intention of ever repaying them. Without reference to Lendy, I feel that some of the loans to smaller borrowers that I have avoided and then seen go into default, have had a common thread. It doesn't involve any duplicity on the part of the borrower however. It appears to stem from the borrower not having the ability to realise the intended value from the loan. A case in point would be one where money has been raised as a second mortgage on the family home. The lenders appear to be happy that the security is sufficient. However I sometimes wonder if the purpose of borrowing and business case behind it is solid enough to have some certainty that it will achieve the intended outcome. Personally I prefer not to invest my money in the pipe dreams or unrealistic expectations of others based on sometimes questionable valuations. Compounding this is the Exit Strategy. No one with a short term loan will be taking a negative view of the outcome until the worst case scenario becomes inevitable. So at that point, with very little time at hand, negotiating an immediate new loan on what is now a dodgy looking proposition, or putting a house on the market expecting an immediate purchase at the original valuation is just another pipe dream.
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Post by ped on Feb 4, 2018 11:27:55 GMT
Found the newsletter largely relevant ie reiterating recoveries and hires. They’re pretty insistent on Paignton and maybe Wolverhampton finally redeeming within 4-6 weeks which would overhaul sentiment on the SM in the short term. Big auction day mid Feb so might also get some movement on some of the problem children which may help medium term sentiment; there may not be unadulteratedly good news but would at least progress cleaning up some of the mess in DEF. Do you think Wolverhampton is the only loan they are talking about in the 14Mil, I was thinking it would be Arboretum plus 107 ?
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Post by yangmills on Feb 4, 2018 13:54:21 GMT
Why do people/ companies take out loans they can’t repay. I understand that there is occasionally unforeseen circumstances, but surely not as frequently as Lendy loans are going bad. As we stand, default and suspension is a lot more common than repayment. When a loan repays we celebrate as though we got really lucky, like the expectation from the start is that it won’t repay and we were lucky that it did. There’s either an awful lot of unforeseen circumstances or people/ companies are taking out these loans with no intention of ever repaying them. The issue to me is that a non-negligible proportion of the borrowers on platforms like SS really have very little downside in taking out these loans. First, you will have people who are fairly desperate. They've tried all the other lenders who offer lower borrowing rates and were rejected. They are going to lose the property if they do nothing. So a P2P lender like SS might be their last hope even at an IRR of 30%+ on a bridge loan. If it works out, they get to keep the property; if it doesn't they lose the property but that was going to happen anyway so the outcome isn't much worse. Second, you have property speculators. The set up a SPV ring-fenced from their other businesses and use it to buy a piece of land worth costing say £1mm using conventional finance. They hope to borrow £2mm to pay off the original loan, get planning approval and turn it into commercial/residential units. They can't get finance from a mainstream lender because it's speculative: no planning permission, no pre-let units etc. SS, however, get it valued at say £4mm GDV so will give them a loan of £2.8mm (70% LGDV but 280% LTC). SS and the brokers take of 22% upfront for interest and fees (£616k), leaving £2,184k for the borrower. At this point the developer is in a good position. The've effectively sold the property to the lenders for £2mm+ allowing them to pay the original loan off, have £1mm+ to spend, with no downside equity exposure. If the development goes well, the borrower sells the property for say £4mm and pockets > £1mm. If the development goes pear-shaped, the developer can walk away and has no equity to lose. It's win-win for the borrower, SS and the broker. Somebody must lose but I just can't work out who ...
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Post by pmac67 on Feb 5, 2018 14:43:40 GMT
Found the newsletter largely relevant ie reiterating recoveries and hires. They’re pretty insistent on Paignton and maybe Wolverhampton finally redeeming within 4-6 weeks which would overhaul sentiment on the SM in the short term. Big auction day mid Feb so might also get some movement on some of the problem children which may help medium term sentiment; there may not be unadulteratedly good news but would at least progress cleaning up some of the mess in DEF. Do you think Wolverhampton is the only loan they are talking about in the 14Mil, I was thinking it would be Arboretum plus 107 ? I hope you are right with the last 2 ! Loan update says 107 will be repaid imminently ! Anybody know what that word means ? I only know the OED definition not Lendy's understanding of the word... Probably 4-6 weeks i suppose ! Started the evacuation procedures today from Lendy anyway... If this new guy brought on board to chase down bad debts and recoveries is faster than the proverbial rats departing sinking ships then i can always climb back on board, but for now I'm donning the life jacket... 40% of loanbook late/defaulted now... gotta go, boat's here
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Post by webwizard on Feb 7, 2018 7:00:11 GMT
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Post by Paul64 on Feb 7, 2018 8:09:16 GMT
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