r00lish67
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 7, 2018 10:30:02 GMT
fundingsecure , I'm fully aware that loans often run over term, but there seems to be an unwelcome trend recently where many of your loans are running over term without any explanation on your part whatsoever. For example, all of the loans below finished 2+ weeks ago, and at the time of writing have no update at all on them. Great Harwood - T1 ended 30/01/2018 Coventry ended 10/02/2018 Wirral 10/02/2018 Hounslow 11/02 Camden 14/02 Darmonds 14/02 West D**by 14/02 Redhill 19/02 Willenhall 21/02 I personally don't find this acceptable. Lenders may not be entitled to their money back at the end of the loan term, but I do believe we're entitled to an update of the situation on (or very shortly after) the due date. I'm sure you're aware that this is the case - I just wanted to flag that we do notice and it does affect confidence in investing in new loans.
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Post by adrian77 on Mar 7, 2018 12:04:58 GMT
Totally agree - there are several mega loans now in serious arrears. These problems are not going to go away by magic and sooner or later some painful decisions will need to be made. Allied with this there are ever more loans running late (wonder if borrowers are aware of this when they don't settle on time?) and I worry FS will lose control of the situation.
Personally I have 88 loans of which 26 are late and in my book that is far too many...
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r00lish67
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 7, 2018 18:48:33 GMT
Ok, sorry, I'm going to have to have a second moan of the day fundingsecure . It's only because I love you. As per your own statistics at: www.fundingsecure.com/invest-with-us/loan-statisticsYour overdue loans have increased by £3.9m for each of the last 2 months. For the loans originated in July 2017, a full half of them by value are now overdue. With this trend already appearing to be continuing into March so far, it seems quite possible we'll be standing at £24m of loans overdue by the end of the month - double the level of of only a short time ago in December 2017. Unless you have a helluva lot of redemptions to bring out of your hat in the next few days, I think we really need some explanation of this. I'm not fundamentally opposed to your 6-month model, but it only kind of works if you do actually generally renew loans when the borrowers inevitably need further time, and reset the LTV to what is stated in the loan description. Otherwise, our security is being continually diluted by the accruing interest, and our risk of losing out significantly increased. I'm not going to pontificate on the exact solution, but this is not working as it currently stands. I would really appreciate some acknowledgement of this problem, and avoidance of any patronising Lendy-esque spin in explaining how this is planned to be resolved. Edit: As I've been too much of a negative nelly recently, as a positive suggestion - perhaps a move away from the default 6 month loan term? Given that 50% of your loans are going overdue recently, it would seem sensible to set more appropriate timeframes based upon the size and scale of the project.
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mariner
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Post by mariner on Mar 7, 2018 19:30:05 GMT
Just did a quick calculation using the data available from the all active & past loan tab
As of today’s date there are 147 loans worth £26,898,963.80 which are overdue
22 have had no updates whatsoever, the oldest loan being 1243892972 which was due 30/01/18 for £140000
So if my calcs are correct it will be far more than £24 million overdue by the end of this month, more like £34 million unless there are a lot of paybacks
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Post by charliebrown on Mar 7, 2018 22:08:56 GMT
The first full 4 pages of my loans are all overdue, only 2 loans are officially marked as Unredeemed. Most of these overdue loans have no updates. I do quite like the 6 months term concept, as I like it when the loans is put back on the platform for renewal after 6 months, giving investors the option to renew or exit. When that’s working well it’s a really nice feature. Unfortunately it’s not enforced at all.
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mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 8, 2018 3:53:06 GMT
... there are ever more loans running late ... and I worry FS will lose control of the situation. I'm afraid I'm not as optimistic as adrian77. I worry that FS HAVE lost control of the situation.
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mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 8, 2018 3:58:17 GMT
As I've been too much of a negative nelly recently, as a positive suggestion - perhaps a move away from the default 6 month loan term? Given that 50% of your loans are going overdue recently, it would seem sensible to set more appropriate timeframes based upon the size and scale of the project. I can understand why someone might think longer loans would help, but consider what happens to the LTV of a loan during the course of a 12-month loan. Add in a bit more time to get a receivership in place, the reports written, and an exit strategy agreed, and by the time the security actually is sold the LTV will have risen to the point where a full recovery would be virtually impossible.
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Post by ashtondav on Mar 8, 2018 8:24:59 GMT
As I've been too much of a negative nelly recently, as a positive suggestion - perhaps a move away from the default 6 month loan term? Given that 50% of your loans are going overdue recently, it would seem sensible to set more appropriate timeframes based upon the size and scale of the project. I can understand why someone might think longer loans would help, but consider what happens to the LTV of a loan during the course of a 12-month loan. Add in a bit more time to get a receivership in place, the reports written, and an exit strategy agreed, and by the time the security actually is sold the LTV will have risen to the point where a full recovery would be virtually impossible. Er, that’s what’s happening anyway.
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Post by 09dolphin on Mar 8, 2018 8:25:59 GMT
I must admit that I think FS aren't able to manage the overdue loans that they have. Whilst they manage loans that repay on (or about) the time they are due they do appear incapable of managing loans that go significantly over the 6 months original loan (ie by 3 - 12 months)
When this site had pawn loans I did recommend it as an investment site but the site has changed. Now it's a site which offers predominantly property loans. I have to question the valuations of property loans which seem overoptimistic to say the least and, when the repayment is not made, they seem unable to manage the loans that will or have defaulted. Even worse is when they ignore the information given by concerned investors (see the Whitehaven loan).
I am concerned that FS seem to like to provide investors with as little information as possible about what is happening to their money and that I really don't like and it increases my distrust of FS.
My investments in this site are now sporadic to say the least. I only invest in loans where I have spent considerable time doing DD because I really don't trust the information FS provide.
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Post by brightspark on Mar 8, 2018 10:07:09 GMT
The experience you are having is typical. Why then do individuals continue to put their money towards FS? Is it an addiction where so called investors behave like gamblers always believing that the next throw of the dice will go their way?
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Post by charliebrown on Mar 8, 2018 10:24:48 GMT
The experience you are having is typical. Why then do individuals continue to put their money towards FS? Is it an addiction where so called investors behave like gamblers always believing that the next throw of the dice will go their way? I think it could be. I’m certainly in p2p way over my head. Before I invested a penny if I could have seen that my future position would be where I am today then I’d never have invested that first penny. All the p2p platforms I use are in a mess. COL is in receivership, MT has had defaults, LY is sat on 25 defaulted loans and many more suspended, FS is in denial about lots of defaults and overdue loans. All platforms keep enthusiastically launching new loans while perpetually kicking the can down the road on all the loans that are basically unrecoverable. Frankly it would have been better for me to stick my money in the 5 year Ratesetter account at say 6% for much less risk, less effort and in the Long run probably a much better return.
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Post by Monetus on Mar 8, 2018 16:37:45 GMT
Is anyone else finding it particularly infuriating to constantly receive emails from FS churning out new loans on a daily basis when they haven’t updated many existing loans for weeks/months??
They used to provide regular weekly updates to existing investors... why have they stopped this? Concerning?
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r00lish67
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 9, 2018 10:09:43 GMT
I have never been so underwhelmed by a newsletter as I have by the one received this morning. No mention of Collateral, no mention of regulation, no mention of SM or resolving overdue loans - nothing.
In fact, aside from the repeated information, there's pretty much less content than the post I'm currently writing, just a few regurgitated statistics with no interpretation..
Did they miss the main section out?
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Post by Brainer on Mar 9, 2018 14:09:35 GMT
2530766843 (London, Fit***** S*****) ended 23/12/17, first update 06/03/18 - 10 weeks! Update says receivers will be appointed at the end of the week if funds aren't received. Having enquired directly about this loan a few times, it does seem they have had some contact with the borrower, they just haven't bothered to update lenders.
More generally, maybe FS should look at Lendy for a lesson. When their overdue loans started to spiral out of control they all but ceased origination to focus on recoveries. Their processes appear to be improved now but the reputational hit they took has meant they're now struggling to fill even tiny loans.
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Post by phil on Mar 10, 2018 9:46:59 GMT
I suspect they’re also quicker to press the button on a forced asset sale when the odds of a full recovery look good. Where it’s obvious that a forced sale will see a significant shortfall, the tendency instead is to “wait and hope”. Not that there isn’t some logic in this, up to a point. Yes indeed, how right you are, receiver instructed when loan at just 260 days, as in above post: 2530766843
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