SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Feb 4, 2018 16:20:39 GMT
Surely it can’t have been a surprise to you that the GBBA would likely stick up to 20% of your funds in any single loan? It’s been discussed on this forum ad nauseum for years (and I see you joined the forum last March). Unfortunately I joined this forum AFTER investing in the GEA. As to this folklaw about 20% diversification - it's not in ACs t&cs so no I wasn't aware of it and frankly I think it suits AC to allow this misinformation to persist. The 20% per loan limit is not “folklaw” (sic), it’s simply how the buying algorithms of the GBBA and GEIA operate, and have done for years. I’ve moved money into new GBBA accounts on a couple of occasions and both times it put 20% chunks into a couple of individual loans. The FAQs describe the process clearly enough, IMO
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Post by bikeman on Feb 4, 2018 16:30:51 GMT
Unfortunately I joined this forum AFTER investing in the GEA. As to this folklaw about 20% diversification - it's not in ACs t&cs so no I wasn't aware of it and frankly I think it suits AC to allow this misinformation to persist. The 20% per loan limit is not “folklaw” (sic), it’s simply how the buying algorithms of the GBBA and GEIA operate, and have done for years. I’ve moved money into new GBBA accounts on a couple of occasions and both times it put 20% chunks into a couple of individual loans. The FAQs describe the process clearly enough, IMO The faqs do not say 20% per loan limit. There is no mention of a limit. They give two examples but set no limits. They might as well say 'we can invest 100% in a single loan and not diversify your funds at all if we choose'. When you transfer funds into an investment account, the system will automatically diversify your account funds across many matching loans at any given time, with the aim of doing so in an equal and proportionate way and subject to loan availability. For example, if 50 suitable loans are available, the account will aim to invest approximately 2% of account funds into each loan. Likewise, with only five suitable loans, the account will aim to invest approximately a fifth (20%) of account funds into each loan. Lets face it ACs t&cs are written in such a way as to keep things as fluid as possible for them. What they do say though is ..the actual extent of the automatic diversification may be limited unless/ until new loans become available. But I've not seen any evidence that they reallocate investments as new loans become available.
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Post by SteveT on Feb 4, 2018 16:41:02 GMT
I don’t understand how you think the lack of mention that 20% is the maximum (even though long experience shows that it is) helps your case? I sympathise with your bad luck in having funds tied up in suspended loans but I don’t think your logic currently holds up vis-a-vis a formal complaint.
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Post by ashtondav on Feb 4, 2018 20:07:26 GMT
I don’t understand how you think the lack of mention that 20% is the maximum (even though long experience shows that it is) helps your case? I sympathise with your bad luck in having funds tied up in suspended loans but I don’t think your logic currently holds up vis-a-vis a formal complaint. Over 40% of my GBBA is in one loan. What the hell do you mean 20% is the maximum? You clearly do not understand the AC business model which, for a "fire and forget" account is unfit for purpose unless the PF pays interest on defaulted loans. AIUI, this will be addressed this month.
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Post by billt on Feb 4, 2018 20:11:34 GMT
New to this site and forum, I have funds spread across AZ accounts just checked my green energy account in which I have 15k invested and found that they have allocated 9k into one loan which to add insult to injury is suspended, surely this is totally out of order.
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Post by SteveT on Feb 4, 2018 21:36:54 GMT
A recurring issue, much discussed previously, is that an initial 20% stake in a loan becomes a rather larger % if money is later withdrawn from the account and the algorithm cannot sell the excess to bring it down to 20% again, eg. if there is a large selling queue or the loan is suspended.
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Post by ashtondav on Feb 5, 2018 9:46:15 GMT
New to this site and forum, I have funds spread across AZ accounts just checked my green energy account in which I have 15k invested and found that they have allocated 9k into one loan which to add insult to injury is suspended, surely this is totally out of order. Well luckily AC have a provision fund to cover just such an eventuality. Sadly their Compliance policy means it doesn't pay out very quickly, well quite slowly actually, glacial some would say...
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Post by cb25 on Feb 5, 2018 10:24:42 GMT
Approx 24% of my GBBA1 money is in loan #227. Percentage creeps up due to #227 being suspended and my GBBA1 account emptying. I can imagine that when loans of this size (close to £6m) come into the system: i) though AC have 10,000s of lenders, there may not be huge amounts of un-allocated money in lenders' account. Hence anybody who has just put a lump sum into AC stands a good chance of getting a very high percentage. ii) having had (say) 20% of your money allocated to one loan, the diversification algorithm fails to lower that percentage significantly when other loans and other un-allocated money are present. The above is just my guess. I wouldn't mind the 20%+ if I had confidence the PF would pay out quickly, say no more than 1 year after a loan first defaults (and stays defaulted). However, AC's own figures show Actual Bad Debt Fund Usage as 0.00% of total contributions to the reserve fund from those loans each year since 2011 (excludes bank interest income and other administrative fees and charges). www.assetzcapital.co.uk/key-investing-information/defaults-and-losses/Hence if the PF has been paying out, can't have been that much (or AC's Actual Bad Debt Fund Usage figures are incorrect).
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Post by ashtondav on Feb 5, 2018 10:53:52 GMT
Don't expect any joy on defaulted loans soon...
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Post by ashtondav on Feb 5, 2018 12:41:15 GMT
Smoke and Mirrors.
You can tell there's something not quite right at AC now they have formally withdrawn from this forum. Engaging with customers is usually an indication of positive times. Intentionally not engaging with the most informed segment of your market is neither clever nor good business.
Draw your own conclusions, with the proviso that improvements have been promised for this month that address the current appalling AC diversification and Provision Fund failings
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Post by happy on Feb 5, 2018 13:20:33 GMT
Smoke and Mirrors. You can tell there's something not quite right at AC now they have formally withdrawn from this forum. Engaging with customers is usually an indication of positive times. Intentionally not engaging with the most informed segment of your market is neither clever nor good business. Actually AC disengaged from this forum in any official or even semi-official way many months ago and since then we have seen only a few brief visits from Chris and Stuart but Andrew has not been here for some time. IMHO this withdrawal by AC was precipitated by a number of particularly savage attacks by a few posters with some agendas beyond simply wanting to discuss, share and understand. I see the same thing happening again here now and it devalues the worth of this forum greatly. Sadly I spend less and less time here now as I am quite simply fed up of crawling through other peoples emotional venting to find anything of use or worthy of a reply. Please grow up, show some respect to others and stop putting this forum to shame. EDIT: and that comment was not meant to be aimed at you ashtondav by the way
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Post by Harland Kearney on Feb 5, 2018 13:41:13 GMT
I'm patiently waiting for AC's new algorithm. When I invested in late 2016 diversfication for my GBBA (Series 1) account was very good. Generally I had about <1 percent of the value per loan.
As people stated in here it isn't happening for the time being. It wont' change in my eyes until the new algorithm (and still possibly.)
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Post by star dust on Feb 5, 2018 14:05:44 GMT
Mod Hat On/
It seems emotions are certainly running high here at the moment. Indeed I wasn’t even sure which thread to post this on as a number of them seem affected. People may be angry, disappointed, dissatisfied but please try to stick to the ‘polite and constructive’, concentrate on the facts and stop hurling insults at the platform and/or each other.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Feb 5, 2018 23:52:20 GMT
Mod Hat On/ It seems emotions are certainly running high here at the moment. Indeed I wasn’t even sure which thread to post this on as a number of them seem affected. People may be angry, disappointed, dissatisfied but please try to stick to the ‘polite and constructive’, concentrate on the facts and stop hurling insults at the platform and/or each other. AC is facing a challenge and so far I have liked the transparent way AC have dealt with the situation, infact I have increased my investment with AC over the last week. There is some justification for some of the dissent in my opinion but it is still far from concluded what the outcome is going to be. People should view P2P like any other investment, a gamble but one in which you expect to win (but there are no guarantees). I think one challenge the P2P industry faces is it will attract people who view it as a form of saving (ie provision funds and promises of secturiy) - which it is not.
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Post by ashtondav on Feb 6, 2018 9:06:39 GMT
The simple fact is that people were attracted to AC packaged accounts partly because of a provision fund. Reality is that the PF has never been deployed and lenders are sitting in undiversified accounts with overweighted suspended/defaulted loans with no PF payment, and little indication of when they might expect a payment. At least that is what seems to have happened according to posters on this forum. If correct, that is not a trivial issue - it’s a major problem, at least for the lender.
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