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Post by elephantrosie on Feb 3, 2018 23:25:01 GMT
what does it mean when price to capital is more than 100%? who is earning here? the buyer or seller?
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Post by liso on Feb 4, 2018 0:05:38 GMT
If you're referring to AB's SM the answer is, it depends on a number of factors - how much the cost exceeds 100%, the rate of return to the purchaser and the length of the remaining loan term, and who receives any accrued interest not yet paid out at the point of sale. How long is a piece of string?
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Post by elephantrosie on Feb 4, 2018 3:10:21 GMT
oh my so complicated!
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Post by mememe on Feb 4, 2018 9:55:24 GMT
Yes it's definitely one of the most complicated secondary markets I've used - largely because of the structure of the long term debentures with fixed annual interest payments despite reducing capital outstanding. It really needs a calculator like ABL which tells you the effective yield.
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Post by elephantrosie on Feb 4, 2018 11:54:59 GMT
how difficult is it to sell a loan on SM?
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 4, 2018 13:42:44 GMT
You might want to use Abu or abl rather than ab for your abbreviations so platform can be identified and the right detailed answer given.
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Post by elephantrosie on Feb 4, 2018 23:39:18 GMT
hello stub!
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Post by isecguy on Feb 5, 2018 21:02:53 GMT
how difficult is it to sell a loan on SM? Pretty difficult, as trades take place "off platform", which raises some pretty serious data protection/privacy concerns, as Abundance provide your email address directly to the seller! (be interesting to see if that complies with the upcoming GDPR requirements which come into force in May!)
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Post by elephantrosie on Feb 5, 2018 23:53:20 GMT
wow, that is concerning!
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Post by dzo on Feb 6, 2018 22:40:50 GMT
how difficult is it to sell a loan on SM? Pretty difficult, as trades take place "off platform", which raises some pretty serious data protection/privacy concerns, as Abundance provide your email address directly to the seller! (be interesting to see if that complies with the upcoming GDPR requirements which come into force in May!) It's not difficult. If you accept a bid, both parties get an email from Abundance and you just reply all saying you're happy to proceed. You can always create an address just for use on Abundance if you're concerned about privacy.
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 6, 2018 23:33:19 GMT
Pretty difficult, as trades take place "off platform", which raises some pretty serious data protection/privacy concerns, as Abundance provide your email address directly to the seller! (be interesting to see if that complies with the upcoming GDPR requirements which come into force in May!) It's not difficult. If you accept a bid, both parties get an email from Abundance and you just reply all saying you're happy to proceed. You can always create an address just for use on Abundance if you're concerned about privacy. It seems that many follow this advice.
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Post by shimself on Feb 9, 2018 21:31:58 GMT
Yes it's definitely one of the most complicated secondary markets I've used - largely because of the structure of the long term debentures with fixed annual interest payments despite reducing capital outstanding. It really needs a calculator like ABL which tells you the effective yield. I see it this way. The return is typically 6%, the SM markup is typically 9%, so the answer is it takes 1.5 years until you start to see a return - no thanks. (Figures from memory)
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 9, 2018 21:33:47 GMT
Yes it's definitely one of the most complicated secondary markets I've used - largely because of the structure of the long term debentures with fixed annual interest payments despite reducing capital outstanding. It really needs a calculator like ABL which tells you the effective yield. I see it this way. The return is typically 6%, the SM markup is typically 9%, so the answer is it takes 1.5 years until you start to see a return - no thanks. (Figures from memory) Further complicated if the interest rate quoted is XIRR over full term.
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Post by scc on Feb 20, 2018 5:48:37 GMT
One of the abundance peeps told me late last year that they were hoping to make it easier for secondary market buyers to calculate returns.
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Post by elliotn on Feb 20, 2018 6:38:08 GMT
Best to steer clear of any investments you do not understand. FAQs and T&Cs often help, have you looked yet?
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