stub8535
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 13, 2018 16:17:30 GMT
So far: DO USE p2x - Bridgecrowd, Collateral, Growth Street, Lending Crowd, Lendinvest, Moneything, Proplend, Sancus which makes 8 so 8 more p2x to go non p2x - Fiduciam which leaves another 16 to identify DON'T USE SavingStream Anyone got any to add? Back to your Rubik cube I think.
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Post by james21 on Feb 13, 2018 16:22:21 GMT
To achieve the 8% gross for the investors (and give them a marin to run their company as their fees wont be enough) they need to be placing some of their funds in the big % return platforms inc Lendy (even though SS has been mentioned to be ruled out) and FS
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Post by mary on Feb 13, 2018 20:17:00 GMT
To achieve the 8% gross for the investors (and give them a marin to run their company as their fees wont be enough) they need to be placing some of their funds in the big % return platforms inc Lendy (even though SS has been mentioned to be ruled out) and FS Err. I don’t think bondmason are going to pocket the difference if lenders would otherwise get more than the targeted 8% gross. How do you know? Its a complete black box. Inside anything could be happening, and there's no FCA oversight. You send your money and pray that some of it comes back. It's a real Hail Mary!
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Post by stub8535 on Feb 13, 2018 20:37:46 GMT
Err. I don’t think bondmason are going to pocket the difference if lenders would otherwise get more than the targeted 8% gross. How do you know? Its a complete black box. Inside anything could be happening, and there's no FCA oversight. You send your money and pray that some of it comes back. It's a real Hail Mary! Good to think that you believe that any platform is monitored effectively by the FCA mary. Not so sure I would agree given the evidence.
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Post by df on Feb 13, 2018 22:28:44 GMT
To achieve the 8% gross for the investors (and give them a marin to run their company as their fees wont be enough) they need to be placing some of their funds in the big % return platforms inc Lendy (even though SS has been mentioned to be ruled out) and FS Not necessarily. BM might have their own arrangements with lending firms that are different from if you lend direct. I don't know for sure, but in my understanding 1.5% fee is enough to cover the cost of running BM business.
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Post by mary on Feb 14, 2018 9:14:12 GMT
How do you know? Its a complete black box. Inside anything could be happening, and there's no FCA oversight. You send your money and pray that some of it comes back. It's a real Hail Mary! Good to think that you believe that any platform is monitored effectively by the FCA mary . Not so sure I would agree given the evidence. That was not my primary point, I do not rely on FCA, except in that to achieve authorisation a platform has to show that it has effective procedures and (critically) separation of client monies, which is good to know and makes me more wary of non-authorised platform. As I understand it Bondmason applied for some FCA permissions over two years ago - but these have not been granted - and have no intention of applying for full authorisation. The primary point is that, with Bondmason, there is no opportunity to perform any due diligence, I like to see where the money is going and avoid those loans that I personally deem to be too high risk for me. If you are happy to sent your money into the black box, good luck. Many people sent Bernie Madoff money and for a long time it looked great - until it wasn't!
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Post by stevefindlay on Feb 14, 2018 9:37:10 GMT
It's amazing how quickly these threads go off-topic.
Re rates:
The gross target return is stated before our fee, but after losses. We charge 1-1.5% pa. Thats it.
Our losses have been running at 0.39% pa since inception.
The average gross rate required is 8.39%.
We've long stated that we would rather see the target rate drop, than chase riskier loans.
Re FCA
Hoping for some news on this front in Q2 this year.
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Post by dan1 on Feb 27, 2018 15:53:51 GMT
So far: DO USE p2x - Bridgecrowd, Collateral, Growth Street, Lending Crowd, Lendinvest, Moneything, Proplend, Sancus which makes 8 so 8 more p2x to go non p2x - Fiduciam which leaves another 16 to identify DON'T USE SavingStream Anyone got any to add? Investors in BondMason should be aware of this thread,... assuming that the categorisation of Collateral above is accurate.
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Post by stevefindlay on Feb 27, 2018 20:38:51 GMT
So far: DO USE p2x - Bridgecrowd, Collateral, Growth Street, Lending Crowd, Lendinvest, Moneything, Proplend, Sancus which makes 8 so 8 more p2x to go non p2x - Fiduciam which leaves another 16 to identify DON'T USE SavingStream Anyone got any to add? Investors in BondMason should be aware of this thread,... assuming that the categorisation of Collateral above is accurate. Thanks dan1A good example of why we don't disclose the underlying platforms. We focus on good quality loans with good quality lenders. We don't comment (implicitly or explicitly) on other aspects of their operating models which don't effect us, but which may impact the perceived quality of their P2P operations for other clients. On Collateral, I'm sure they'll sort out their IT issues sooner rather than later. Give them some space and they'll probably solve it faster. One benefit of BondMason is that we can usually pick up the phone and talk to these platforms directly, even during busy times, on behalf of all our clients.
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Post by micky on Feb 28, 2018 17:38:05 GMT
Hi Steve have you picked up the phone and spoken to Collateral yet? You must feel extreme concern as much as people who have invested directly with them.
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Post by portlandbill on Feb 28, 2018 23:07:08 GMT
Now it's known that Collateral has gone into administration, it's probably a good time to confirm whether or not they are one of the platforms that we are investing through
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 28, 2018 23:08:24 GMT
Now it's known that Collateral has gone into administration, it's probably a good time to confirm whether or not they are one of the platforms that we are investing through And Goji.
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Post by stevefindlay on Mar 1, 2018 13:51:47 GMT
So, as it is now known - it wasn't just IT issues at Collateral.
We are not in a position to disclose precise the nature of our conversations held, suffice to say we have been in contact with: - the Collateral team - the Administrators; and - their lawyers
In terms of our involvement with Collateral, we were pleased to work with them on their property lending opportunities. We invested a total of 2.48% of invested capital through Collateral, of which 0.78% has repaid and there is 1.69% is outstanding.
In each of the loans, there is security and the underlying borrower continues to repay.
We have offered to step in to work out any of the loans we are invested in (if needs be); for the benefit of all lenders (whether they have come through BondMason or not). We will see if this is required.
It is important to understand the legal structuring: - Collateral UK Ltd, the operating company has gone into administration - The individual loans are bankruptcy remote, with security held by a separate security trustee - Collateral Security Trustee Ltd. The administration of the operating company should not represent a credit event on the underlying loans - as long as there is someone to manage the loan book (which is likely to be done by the administrator, and as we have also offered ourselves)
If there are any further material updates on this matter, and we feel we are able to share publicly, then we will do so.
In the mean time, we will continue to seek to ensure that these loans, and all other loans across 32 lending partners, repay in full and on time.
My thoughts to any lender who has gone into Collateral loans directly: - ensure you have your documentation organised: hopefully you have a copy of all legal agreements including the loan contracts you have gone into; - ensure you understand what (and where) each security for each loan is held; and - give the administrator some time to establish the facts and prepare an approach to resolution.
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Post by keystone on Mar 1, 2018 14:14:33 GMT
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Post by p2pimpressed on Mar 1, 2018 14:17:19 GMT
Thanks for brief update!
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