agent69
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Post by agent69 on Feb 17, 2018 17:32:12 GMT
the recovery rate was in fact over 43%.
But I still don't think it is a good rate of recovery from a lender point of view.
I've got a couple of loans headed south on TC, where I can only dream of 43% recovery.
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Post by xpubman1 on Feb 17, 2018 17:47:03 GMT
Just a couple of loans going south on TC, you are fortunate, I seem to remember a post on their VIP forum that suggested that their loan book had close to a thousand loans in default, I personally have around 50 of them and I agree I would accept a 43% return in a heart beat
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Post by Liz on Feb 17, 2018 18:33:09 GMT
I agree. I got a 1p total recovery on a loan in TC!!!! SME recovery rates are far lower than 43%. Most of mine have recovered zero or near zero. This loan was a joke from the start. 98% LTV on a 90 day marketing period before costs. I don't know how it ever filled. The false PF protection, I would guess.
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Post by skint4achange on Feb 17, 2018 18:55:24 GMT
the recovery rate was in fact over 43%.
But I still don't think it is a good rate of recovery from a lender point of view.
I've got a couple of loans headed south on TC, where I can only dream of 43% recovery. I agree, most people dream of a 43% recovery, but that in itself says a whole lot about the state of the P2P lending sector
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Post by jackpease on Feb 19, 2018 9:41:13 GMT
The big problem here is that investors are getting such a low proportion of the borrowers interest. Effectively, SS is charging a 6% management fee and 33% of the yield. How many funds do you invest in that charge fees of 6% and 33%? When i'm doing my clumsy due diligence i tend to rank platform risk as high as per-loan risk - I am more worried about entire platforms going under given how few of them actually make any money, indeed even with these fees there are plenty of forumites who fear that these losses could push platforms under. Given so many platforms struggle to turn a profit, i suspect that these fees are not unreasonable and if the platforms can't make money in this game, then neither will we. Jack P
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Post by dualinvestor on Feb 19, 2018 12:01:07 GMT
I agree. I got a 1p total recovery on a loan in TC!!!! SME recovery rates are far lower than 43%. Most of mine have recovered zero or near zero. This loan was a joke from the start. 98% LTV on a 90 day marketing period before costs. I don't know how it ever filled. The false PF protection, I would guess. At the time the loan was made the SM was so liquid a Savingstream account (as Lendy was then) was almost the same as an instant access bank account. Most investors thought they could get out of a loan immediately, indeed often a loan pat put up for sale would often be gone by rhe time the page refreshed. This was aided by INPL where it was possible to game the system and Lendy ending up taking the loan part itself. It briefly backed up around October 2016 but soon returned to being very liquid but now, with the withdrawal of INPL and emergence of more poor performing loans it is illiquid, but remains good for longer dated ones. Bach to PBL155, I took some originally for reasons as above, but sold it within a couple of months
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Post by elliotn on Feb 19, 2018 12:23:33 GMT
I cannot claim any special skills at avoiding bad loans across P2P, but that place looked like a dog from the start. I now severly limit my loans on property and only if it passes the "I would like to live there" test. On the "castle" I would not have wanted it. Everyone has different p2p strategies I guess. I’d love to live in a castle!* * would never invest in one tho.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 19, 2018 13:05:33 GMT
Imaginary liquidity was implicated in the 2008 financial fiasco .. people were willing to invest in junk, without looking hard, on the assumption they could pass the parcel if/when the clouds gathered. Little has been learned. And burying losses in the holding accounts, off balance sheet, or just kicking them down the road, is another well known trick (look at how most banks are valuing their Greek bonds in their asset accounting). 'Hasn't happened yet' is not the same as 'won't happen'. If you want to scare yourself, or at least scare your offspring (if any) I recommend 'Planet Ponzi', although you may need to acquire a few extra zeros before you try to make sense of it.
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Post by shimself on Feb 19, 2018 13:46:43 GMT
Just a couple of loans going south on TC, you are fortunate, I seem to remember a post on their VIP forum that suggested that their loan book had close to a thousand loans in default, I personally have around 50 of them and I agree I would accept a 43% return in a heart beat As they can't have done a thousand loans in the first place I think you can safely class that as false news. I haven't got a list, and I know Naughty Nick has a fair few, but are there really 50 in default?
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Post by markb on Feb 19, 2018 18:22:53 GMT
Just a couple of loans going south on TC, you are fortunate, I seem to remember a post on their VIP forum that suggested that their loan book had close to a thousand loans in default, I personally have around 50 of them and I agree I would accept a 43% return in a heart beat As they can't have done a thousand loans in the first place I think you can safely class that as false news. I haven't got a list, and I know Naughty Nick has a fair few, but are there really 50 in default? For what it's worth, parsing TC's status list gives the following tranche counts. 486 = 53.1% capital(?) fully repaid, i.e. their status code R 186 = 20.3% on track, i.e. A or B or N 34 = 3.7% restructured, i.e. C 131 = 14.3% in arrears or other outstanding issues, i.e. D or E 59 = 6.4% in recovery, i.e. F 19 = 2.1% fully or partially written off, i.e. W --- 915 total
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