dermot
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Post by dermot on Feb 20, 2018 11:59:44 GMT
Over the last couple days, I'm seeing a significant slowdown (perhaps to one third) of the usual daily rate at which my total investment figure grows. Conversely, the accrued interest figure is growing rapidly. I have a small amount in green, much larger spread across manual and packaged accounts (except qaa).
Anyone else seeing this?
I raised a similar issue in an email to Assetz middle of last year and received no reply, though the situation later righted itself.
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Post by clay on Feb 20, 2018 12:29:34 GMT
Most of my loans have repayments timed for the end of the month. Therefore, it's usual for my accrued interest figure to grow during the month, peak around the 25th and then gradually come down until around the 7th of the next month.
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Post by dermot on Feb 20, 2018 13:10:32 GMT
Most of my loans have repayments timed for the end of the month. Therefore, it's usual for my accrued interest figure to grow during the month, peak around the 25th and then gradually come down until around the 7th of the next month. Hmmm, the changes I mention are at variance with the usual activity seen over several months. In particular, the amount in accrued interest is sitting around 20% higher than a couple months back - though I guess shifting some funds internally may have caused at least part of that. I know that a number of loans have been suspended/defaulted recently, presumably the higher rate of default but unpaid interest accruing will contribute. I've started logging on a daily basis to get a better feel for the issue.
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on Feb 21, 2018 7:54:07 GMT
I can confirm that there is no slowdown of interest caused by the system that has been observed, reported or likely. The other explanation above that your unique loan book holdings and the date that they each pay their monthly interest is the likely answer but the lender desk will review if you have any evidence to the opposite. Many thanks
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Feb 21, 2018 13:28:05 GMT
Most of my loans have repayments timed for the end of the month. Therefore, it's usual for my accrued interest figure to grow during the month, peak around the 25th and then gradually come down until around the 7th of the next month. Hmmm, the changes I mention are at variance with the usual activity seen over several months. In particular, the amount in accrued interest is sitting around 20% higher than a couple months back - though I guess shifting some funds internally may have caused at least part of that. I know that a number of loans have been suspended/defaulted recently, presumably the higher rate of default but unpaid interest accruing will contribute. I've started logging on a daily basis to get a better feel for the issue. If you're going to log what's happening, then you might also be able to pin it down to one or two loans as you can see what each loan notionally owes you in interest if you Click on "loan book" at the top of the page of AC tool bar, then click "Your Loans" The link is investors.assetzcapital.co.uk/investments/loan-bookfrom there you can sort the "Interest Accured" column HTH
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Post by dermot on Feb 21, 2018 17:44:13 GMT
I'm only on a phablet at the moment, so can't easily collate the historic info. Briefly, however, the average daily figure for accrued interest has more than doubled in 5 months, yet my total investment has increased by only around 11% in that time. Similarly, my total AC investment has approximately doubled in 15 months, yet accrued interest sits at around quintuple the average value of 15 months ago. My mix across the different accounts has changed a bit (A bit less in 30day and qaa), but I can only assume that the rate at which "accrued" interest converts to "real" interest has slowed down is due to non performing loans racking up notional interest that may only be payable on final recovery. I shall do as Ton suggests, but also have a look at expressing this as a graph for greater clarity. I note stuartassetzcapital response that he is unaware of anything fundamental (I'd wondered if this might be related to the belated payments issue that came up recently), but apparently not.
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Post by dermot on Feb 21, 2018 18:16:26 GMT
Having a further browse, I have 27% of my GBBA1 (not very well diversified, is it??), amounting to £5,725, tied up in the suspended loan #227, D**** M****
Over half a year unpaid, but accrued, interest makes up much of the disparity I can see.
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Post by cb25 on Feb 21, 2018 20:19:50 GMT
Having a further browse, I have 27% of my GBBA1 (not very well diversified, is it??), amounting to £5,725, tied up in the suspended loan #227, D**** M**** Over half a year unpaid, but accrued, interest makes up much of the disparity I can see. I'm in a similar position wrt loan #227 - four figure sum representing 30% of my GBBA1 total.
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Post by registerme on Feb 22, 2018 0:59:05 GMT
Yep I have a chunk in #227 too (just over £2k in my case). Whilst I think we all (don't laugh) acknowledge (don't laugh) the weaknesses of the diversification algorithm (don't laugh) I am very surprised that default loans / late payments in non-MLIA loans contribute to headline accrued interest figures across the an entire AC portfolio. Obviously this relates to the recent AC provision funds discussions, but regardless of the legalities or FCA compliance aspects this simply won't be explicable to the proverbial man on the Clapham Omnibus. stuartassetzcapital, chris, thoughts / comments?
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Post by chris on Feb 22, 2018 7:08:17 GMT
registerme - I'm not actually sure what you're asking me? If it's policy rather than technical then either stuartassetzcapital or the lender desk would be the people to ask. With regards to the diversification algorithm that was released to the lender team earlier this week for final testing and approval so will hopefully be live within the next few days. This will trend all lenders in a given investment account (excluding MLA and access accounts that already have a different balancing mechanism) towards having the same percentage of their portfolio invested in each loan as every other investor in that account. Suspended loans are excluded from that rebalancing and there will still be some "lumpiness" due to the nature of the loan book, so holdings in some loans will be higher than others as that is reflective of the amount the account has invested in each loan as a whole. But the worst cases should be in single rather than double digit percentages and the distribution will improve over time as more loans are added to the mix.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Feb 22, 2018 8:29:17 GMT
Well the processors are going to have a lot of work reprocessing when the rebalancing starts up, people in these accounts are going to start seeing lots of buying and selling activity , I guess pages and pages of it. Let's hope all goes smoothly and the last program issues are overcome, I have faith in Chis, but expect some minor issues will come to light. Maybe an email announcement to members of effected accounts before launching h may be good idea.
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Post by chris on Feb 22, 2018 8:55:21 GMT
Well the processors are going to have a lot of work reprocessing when the rebalancing starts up, people in these accounts are going to start seeing lots of buying and selling activity , I guess pages and pages of it. Let's hope all goes smoothly and the last program issues are overcome, I have faith in Chis, but expect some minor issues will come to light. Maybe an email announcement to members of effected accounts before launching h may be good idea. Should be going live today, and yes there will be a few days of elevated activity and trading whilst the system catches up with itself before that dies down. There are various tolerances built into the algorithm to try and minimise trading, these will be fairly coarse to begin with and as we gain confidence that it's worked as expected and that subsequent market activity (e.g. new funds) don't cause too much rebalancing then we'll reduce those tolerances so the system works harder to maintain the established equilibrium.
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Post by cb25 on Feb 22, 2018 9:14:01 GMT
With regards to the diversification algorithm ... This will trend all lenders in a given investment account (excluding MLA and access accounts that already have a different balancing mechanism) towards having the same percentage of their portfolio invested in each loan as every other investor in that account. ... the worst cases should be in single rather than double digit percentages and the distribution will improve over time as more loans are added to the mix. If you desire the worst cases (i.e. highest allocation %) of non-suspended cases to be in single digit percentages, I would have thought that should be (hard-)coded into the algorithm, i.e. give it a single digit percentage as a maximum when allocating new money. I accept that won't stop the percentage for suspended loans creeping up, but should be easy enough to do when allocating new money. Basically, don't allocate new money to a given loan if it would case the percentage allocation to become 10% or higher. Simply having "the same percentage of their portfolio invested in each loan as every other investor in that account" doesn't impress me (sorry). Knowing that I'm not the only one to have a too-high percentage allocation in one loan does nothing for me, I just don't want it to occur.
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Post by chris on Feb 22, 2018 9:21:02 GMT
With regards to the diversification algorithm ... This will trend all lenders in a given investment account (excluding MLA and access accounts that already have a different balancing mechanism) towards having the same percentage of their portfolio invested in each loan as every other investor in that account. ... the worst cases should be in single rather than double digit percentages and the distribution will improve over time as more loans are added to the mix. If you desire the worst cases (i.e. highest allocation %) of non-suspended cases to be in single digit percentages, I would have thought that should be (hard-)coded into the algorithm, i.e. give it a single digit percentage as a maximum when allocating new money. I accept that won't stop the percentage for suspended loans creeping up, but should be easy enough to do when allocating new money. Basically, don't allocate new money to a given loan if it would case the percentage allocation to become 10% or higher. Simply having "the same percentage of their portfolio invested in each loan as every other investor in that account" doesn't impress me (sorry). Knowing that I'm not the only one to have a too-high percentage allocation in one loan does nothing for me, I just don't want it to occur. We used to have stricter parameters but there were complaints that funds weren't being deployed so they were relaxed. Now that the system properly rebalances through this new algorithm without needing idle funds it actually makes sense to allow new lenders with new funds to deploy their funds quickly to then have them diversified back across all loans. Otherwise the system would deploy some funds, diversify bringing the totals in those loans down, then deploy some more funds, then diversify, and repeat with ever smaller amounts deployed. The system already looks at all loans available on the aftermarket when deploying funds and tries to estimate how much it can deploy into each, spreading the funds as widely as it can. This is why some in the GBBA2 have reported great diversification but then subsequently deploying a larger amount leads to more heading into a few loans because availability at that time couldn't accommodate the larger amounts or there wasn't the same breadth of loans available. Ultimately the system needs a wide number of loans into which funds can be deployed within the mandate of each account, something that improves over time and that this algorithm can take advantage of.
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Post by chris on Feb 22, 2018 9:31:12 GMT
The system is now live so you should start to see pairs of transactions on your statement following the format "Exchange loan unit in loan xxx (123) for loan xxx (456)", one being a credit for the old loan unit the other being a matching debit for the new loan unit.
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