Jeepers
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Post by Jeepers on Mar 15, 2018 0:31:00 GMT
on the face of it looks like a good loan You're joking ? Would you pay £10.4m (or even £5.2m) for a 0.89 acre plot at auction ? If/when this defaults you can guarantee substantial loss.
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southport
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Post by southport on Mar 15, 2018 0:39:14 GMT
I am very surprised at the lack of investment in this loan, I was expecting it to be undersubscribed but only a 20% take up? This does not look good for Lendy. If they cannot fill this loan, which on the face of it looks like a good loan, how are they going to fill upcoming tranches of the numerous DFL's (many to the same borrower) they still have to fund? It doesn't look like investors will be returning any time soon. A good loan? You're joking ? Not at all, 50% LTV and a proven borrower. Do you know something about this offering which would make it a 'bad loan'?
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Post by Jeepers on Mar 15, 2018 0:51:45 GMT
A good loan? You're joking ? Not at all, 50% LTV and a proven borrower. Do you know something about this offering which would make it a 'bad loan'? Don't rely on the valuation. Do you honestly think it's worth £10.4m for an undeveloped plot less half the size of a football pitch ? The most expensive property for sale in Cardiff is a fully finished block of 77 apartments at £8.5 million already tenanted bringing in £675k per annum which remains unsold after being marketed for nearly 2 years. This is probably the worst loan I've seen!
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southport
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Post by southport on Mar 15, 2018 0:57:43 GMT
on the face of it looks like a good loan You're joking ? Would you pay £10.4m (or even £5.2m) for a 0.89 acre plot at auction ? If/when this defaults you can guarantee substantial loss. The actual size of the plot doesn't make a lot of diference to the valuation. If you read the post by SteveT which I have linked here he explains the valuation process very well. I have also attached a copy an RICS information paper for the valuation of development land (granted it's from 2008 but I think it's still relevant) which may also help. 12_ValDvpmtLand_2008.pdf (198.55 KB)
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Post by Liz on Mar 15, 2018 1:07:38 GMT
You're joking ? Would you pay £10.4m (or even £5.2m) for a 0.89 acre plot at auction ? If/when this defaults you can guarantee substantial loss. The actual size of the plot doesn't make a lot of diference to the valuation. If you read the post by SteveT which I have linked here he explains the valuation process very well. I have also attached a copy an the RICS information paper for the valuation of development land (granted it's from 2008 but I think it's still relevant) which may also help. View AttachmentFirst do you believe the valuation? How would the valuation hold up in an auction/default senario(see castle)? The valuation is also ok in theory but a lot of things can go wrong. Make no mistake, this is a high risk loan, even by Lendy standards. The take up. despite 2% cash back, shows how unappealing this loan is.
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southport
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Post by southport on Mar 15, 2018 1:30:12 GMT
The actual size of the plot doesn't make a lot of diference to the valuation. If you read the post by SteveT which I have linked here he explains the valuation process very well. I have also attached a copy an the RICS information paper for the valuation of development land (granted it's from 2008 but I think it's still relevant) which may also help. First do you believe the valuation? How would the valuation hold up in an auction/default senario(see castle)? The valuation is also ok in theory but a lot of things can go wrong. Make no mistake, this is a high risk loan, even by Lendy standards. The take up. despite 2% cash back, shows how unappealing this loan is. Yes it is a high risk loan, but all P2P loans are high risk. This loan cannot be compared with the castle as it is for development land which has planning permission for student accomodation with a GDV of 29 mil, the castle seemed to be a bit of a stab in the dark. I am fully aware of the problem with valuations but this site has as good a chance of realising 5 mil + at auction as most other P2P loans have of realising their reported values. I still think this is a good loan by P2P standards but in the current climate I think most property/development loans are going to suffer from underfunding.
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Post by Liz on Mar 15, 2018 1:55:48 GMT
First do you believe the valuation? How would the valuation hold up in an auction/default senario(see castle)? The valuation is also ok in theory but a lot of things can go wrong. Make no mistake, this is a high risk loan, even by Lendy standards. The take up. despite 2% cash back, shows how unappealing this loan is. Yes it is a high risk loan, but all P2P loans are high risk. This loan cannot be compared with the castle as it is for development land which has planning permission for student accomodation with a GDV of 29 mil, the castle seemed to be a bit of a stab in the dark. I am fully aware of the problem with valuations but this site has as good a chance of realising 5 mil + at auction as most other P2P loans have of realising their reported values. I still think this is a good loan by P2P standards but in the current climate I think most property/development loans are going to suffer from underfunding. My worry is that they can't obtain finance, the appetite from p2p to fund these type of loans has evaporated! Then how does the borrower repay the loan? Then who else is going to buy land they can't get finance on? Hence you could see a massive loss. It could also work out, because t I don't think many are prepred to risk their money. Good luck, I hope it all works out for you.
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southport
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Post by southport on Mar 15, 2018 2:10:38 GMT
Yes it is a high risk loan, but all P2P loans are high risk. This loan cannot be compared with the castle as it is for development land which has planning permission for student accomodation with a GDV of 29 mil, the castle seemed to be a bit of a stab in the dark. I am fully aware of the problem with valuations but this site has as good a chance of realising 5 mil + at auction as most other P2P loans have of realising their reported values. I still think this is a good loan by P2P standards but in the current climate I think most property/development loans are going to suffer from underfunding. My worry is that they can't obtain finance, the appetite from p2p to fund these type of loans has evaporated! Then how does the borrower repay the loan? Then who else is going to buy land they can't get finance on? Hence you could see a massive loss. It could also work out, because t I don't think many are prepred to risk their money. Good luck, I hope it all works out for you. Yes this is also my worry which has been compounded by the lack of support for this loan and the ever increasing list of DFL tranches languishing on the SM. The risk in investing in P2P, property loans especialy, seems to be getting higher and higher at the moment and if investment is not found from somewhere there could be a lot of losers. Maybe some big repayments would help the situation but I can't see that happening any time soon.
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Post by sl75 on Mar 15, 2018 9:22:16 GMT
... The take up. despite 2% cash back, shows how unappealing this loan is. To me, it only really shows how little spare cash is floating around the platform specifically, and the P2P arena generally. With over £1M already invested, it is clearly far more appealing than any of the other recently launched loan tranches on this platform, but £5M is a big ask in the current market, especially given how tiny the total repayments received so far this month have been by comparison - almost all of the funds need to be "new" money until or unless some large repayments come through. The next big repayment (if it ever happens!) will trigger the real test of how appealing it is.
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Post by lobster on Mar 15, 2018 9:52:38 GMT
The most recent purchase was for the princely sum of £2.65 - lol !! So just another 1.5 million of those and the loan should be filled
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Post by rocky1 on Mar 15, 2018 10:03:34 GMT
does any body think that LENDY are/have realised that it is not all about throwing out loans after loans thinking we will fill them.the state of the loan book is a disgrace caused by their mismanagement of lenders funds.their arrogance and smart ar*sed replies/lack of them that see loan after loan default. every update states borrowers exit is refinance or sale.WHO would refinance any of these borrowers who are running rings around LENDY.they need to let us see that they are capable of repaying our capital+interest and closing these loans once and for all.we cannot carry on like this with just little drabs of interest each month and seeing no capital return to either reinvest or withdraw as OUR choice.of course we know CAPITAL IS AT RISK but should not be at the risk LENDY have exposed us all to for their own gains
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Post by p2p2p on Mar 15, 2018 10:25:06 GMT
I would have invested it it weren't for the fact that I already have funds with the borrower for other projects. He seems competent, but too many eggs and all that.
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Post by sl75 on Mar 15, 2018 11:12:16 GMT
The most recent purchase was for the princely sum of £2.65 - lol !! So just another 1.5 million of those and the loan should be filled By the time I read your post, less than half an hour after you posted it, the £2.65 was no longer visible as there'd been at least 10 transactions since then... ... and purchases continue to come in thick and fast - some for odd bits and pieces, others for hundreds or thousands. More interesting is what £2.65 (and £26.5, and other multiples of the same amount) represent - investors who had already been 100% invested, but as soon as they received the repayment from DFL011 (which was for 26.5% of the loan amount) re-invested all available funds in this loan... I saw other related amounts scrolling through such as £22.65 (someone who'd deposited £20, and invested it together with a repayment from a £10 investment in DFL011, indicating they're already committing more than double to this loan what they had in DFL011?), and £365 (maybe someone who'd got £1000 in DFL011, and re-invested the partial repayment together with another spare £100). There are also many larger amounts probably indicating "fresh" funds. On the current trend, I expect the amount remaining to be below £4M some considerable time before the end of the day.
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Post by Doc on Mar 15, 2018 11:44:27 GMT
The most recent purchase was for the princely sum of £2.65 - lol !! So just another 1.5 million of those and the loan should be filled On the current trend, I expect the amount remaining to be below £4M some considerable time before the end of the day. On the current trend, I expect the loan will be pulled sooner rather than later, unless Lendy can pull some huge rabbits (repayments) out of the hat.
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Post by copacetic on Mar 15, 2018 12:16:08 GMT
Yeah residual valuations.
10% reduction in £29m GDV = £2.9m 10% increase in construction £10m costs = £1m
Reduction in value of the site = £3.9m so for relatively small errors in valuation this could actually be 80% LTV rather than 50%
What happens if the VR is 15% out?
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