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Post by brightspark on Mar 30, 2018 9:29:08 GMT
They have already failed and are just working out how to save as much of their £3m profit as is possible WAKE UP is all I can say to anyone who thinks otherwise It's sad and i don't think there was necessarily any mal-intent on the part of the directors. But it is what it is, which is anilliquid and default-infested loans platform with a fatally tarnished brand. I think you have covered their current and past weaknesses but there are signs of improvement even with the brand though under a cloud. Others have opined that the site remains profitable so there is leeway to invest strategically to improve the quality of what is offered. The key is to restore liquidity to the secondary market.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Mar 30, 2018 9:57:32 GMT
LENDY WILL NOT FAIL i believe that they will/have found all this a sharp learning curve and all future loans will be well scrutinised and hopefully be presented to our advantage with fair valuations and honest regular updates. they will have to take a hit just as we are all doing and not let borrowers dictate what they want.if they dont like the terms or cant keep to them refuse them. we are all frustrated/angry/dissapointed ect and LENDY are guilty of most of it and now realise that we are not a bottomless pit and timely repayments of capital and interest are just as important as originating new loans to keep the wheels turning and building a steady and sound business up over time.it is not to late for LENDYto turn this round and for anybody to wish them to fail does not help any thing. lets just see how things play out and if LENDY do pursue these borrowers who have run rings round them and get results then we can bring stability back to the platform and probably make LENDY the biggest and best p2p in europe.LENDY THIS MUST ALL BEGIN WITH YOU I would be awfully obliged if you could use your capital letters function for the first letter of each sentence (after a space) rather than merely for "shouting".
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Post by GeorgeT on Mar 30, 2018 10:07:58 GMT
I had a quick scan down today's updates for the loans I'm in, and to be honest, I'm more concerned about the number of loans that may repay in the next month and my ability to reinvest the funds into new loans (not extra tranches of loans on L or elswhere) DFL023 (Barnsley) - next partial repayment due next week, remaining balance to be cleared in next 5 weeks (£300k) Already mostly repaid. DFL024 (Warrington) - refinance due to complete next week. (£2m) (I'm slightly sceptical with this one, and further delays wouldn't be surprising) PBL168 (Shoreham) - refiance should complete early April (£4.8m) DFL004 (Wolverhampton) - refinance should complete mid April (£14.3m) DFL008 (Liverpool) - partial repayments should commence in a few weeks time Which is £21.4m potentially repaying in the next five weeks. And thats just the loans I'm in, there may be others with imminent payments being forecast. Yes, some of this will be withdrawn, but a lot will get recycled into the SM overhang. Written with tongue firmly in cheek? I live for the day when a big DFL repays. I've been saying it for a year now. And the cement pit on a refinance...wow. Excuse my scepticism but I'm not holding my breath. Anyway all the good news should have arrived by the middle of April so it could be a party atmosphere on here by then in the Lendy section. And of course the Lendy Cowes Week in the summer for us to look forward to.
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Post by zedi on Mar 30, 2018 10:15:39 GMT
I don´t understand all the negativity about Lendy lately. Everyone should have known that 12% interest doesn´t come without risks and so far Lendy overall did a great job!
April will be an interesting month for Lendy (especially for the tone in this forum), I think the mood here will turn rapidly if there really will be something close to 20m in repaiments within one month.
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Post by dovap on Mar 30, 2018 10:16:51 GMT
If one morning I was to wake up and discover that a platform had disappeared mysteriously overnight then I'd be least surprised if that was the Ly boys (my 2nd guess would have been Coll) Not really seeing these green shoots of recovery leading to an honest and reliable platform that others seem to want to see tbh.
If the remaining dfl repays - and it sounds an absolute certainty mmm - then apart from another completed dfl which got used for something else then I'll be out completely and they can go on their merry way being the biggest cash cow in the p2p universe
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Post by dandy on Mar 30, 2018 10:33:14 GMT
They have already failed and are just working out how to save as much of their £3m profit as is possible WAKE UP is all I can say to anyone who thinks otherwise It's sad and i don't think there was necessarily any mal-intent on the part of the directors. But it is what it is, which is anilliquid and default-infested loans platform with a fatally tarnished brand. How have they already failed? It's not a bank where you deposit into an instant access savings account. The only thing that's failed is their strategy to become 'the biggest and best platform in the universe or whatever they once said. Hopefully it will move to a more steady and stable growth moving forward. They have failed as they have lost the trust of the majority of investors. Therefore they cannot fund any new loans they put up unless they are heavily underwritten off platform. Most important they cannot fund existing development loans so they are what is known as toast - and frankly are now just an irritating liability to p2p in general and specifically to anyone who does any business with them as a lender, borrower or otherwise
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Post by ianj on Mar 30, 2018 10:39:53 GMT
LENDY WILL NOT FAIL i believe that they will/have found all this a sharp learning curve and all future loans will be well scrutinised and hopefully be presented to our advantage with fair valuations and honest regular updates. they will have to take a hit just as we are all doing and not let borrowers dictate what they want.if they dont like the terms or cant keep to them refuse them. we are all frustrated/angry/dissapointed ect and LENDY are guilty of most of it and now realise that we are not a bottomless pit and timely repayments of capital and interest are just as important as originating new loans to keep the wheels turning and building a steady and sound business up over time.it is not to late for LENDYto turn this round and for anybody to wish them to fail does not help any thing. lets just see how things play out and if LENDY do pursue these borrowers who have run rings round them and get results then we can bring stability back to the platform and probably make LENDY the biggest and best p2p in europe.LENDY THIS MUST ALL BEGIN WITH YOU I would be awfully obliged if you could use your capital letters function for the first letter of each sentence (after a space) rather than merely for "shouting". I seem to recall that one of my all-time favourite authors, J P Donleavy, experimented with the omission of capitals at the start of sentences (I don't remember him dispensing with spaces) in his very first novel, The Ginger Man. But that, despite being intensly annoying, wasn't the reason for the work being banned in Ireland and the US. In subsequent work, he reverted to the more standard convention which, rocky1 , apart from being far a less stressful experience for the reader also appeared have no adverse effect on a successful literary career.
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Post by averageguy on Mar 30, 2018 10:40:34 GMT
I had a quick scan down today's updates for the loans I'm in, and to be honest, I'm more concerned about the number of loans that may repay in the next month and my ability to reinvest the funds into new loans (not extra tranches of loans on L or elswhere) DFL023 (Barnsley) - next partial repayment due next week, remaining balance to be cleared in next 5 weeks (£300k) Already mostly repaid. DFL024 (Warrington) - refinance due to complete next week. (£2m) (I'm slightly sceptical with this one, and further delays wouldn't be surprising) PBL168 (Shoreham) - refiance should complete early April (£4.8m) DFL004 (Wolverhampton) - refinance should complete mid April (£14.3m) DFL008 (Liverpool) - partial repayments should commence in a few weeks time Which is £21.4m potentially repaying in the next five weeks. And thats just the loans I'm in, there may be others with imminent payments being forecast. Yes, some of this will be withdrawn, but a lot will get recycled into the SM overhang. Written with tongue firmly in cheek? I live for the day when a big DFL repays. I've been saying it for a year now. And the cement pit on a refinance...wow. Excuse my scepticism but I'm not holding my breath. Anyway all the good news should have arrived by the middle of April so it could be a party atmosphere on here by then in the Lendy section. And of course the Lendy Cowes Week in the summer for us to look forward to. Given the amount of development going on here in Shoreham it wouldn’t surprise me to see it refinanced
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Post by poppyland on Mar 30, 2018 11:02:47 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder whether some competent administrators mightn't make a better job of dealing with the Lendy problem loans. At least they would be able to be truly tough on the borrowers, as they would not need to worry about their future reputation as a lender. In fact, I guess they would have to worry about their reputation as an administrator and so would have an extra incentive to extract all the money from borrowers that they could.
I don't really think that what is said on this platform or even in Trust Pilot will be the deciding factor in whether Lendy fails or succeeds, and it seems a bit harsh for people who express negative views to be told to shut up. Freedom of speech and all that. Even if it was a deciding factor, surely it's an altruistic act to warn off new and naive investors before they end up in the kind of trouble that many of us are in.
About interest and fees paid to Lendy and to us - it's worth realising that this is added to the loan in the same way that mortgage arrangement fees get added to the value of a mortgage. So Lendy's fees for arranging the loan are paid by us initially, not by the borrower, and the interest that we are paid over the course of the loan is also simply a repayment of our own money. It's only when the loan repays that the borrower has to actually cough up anything at all, and it's a heck of a lot more than Lendy handed over to them when the loan was drawn down. Given this it's not such a surprise that they often can't repay. All would be well at this point, except that then the valuation turns out to be a load of c**p and the property ends up auctioned off for a pittance. I hope Lendy are right that they will be able to get some more money off the borrowers, but here again, I'm starting to wonder whether calling in some experienced professionals (aka administrators) to chase those missing sums might not be more effective than having Lendy do it.
Anyway, either Lendy will fail or it won't. I personally don't believe the failure of Lendy as a platform could create a scenario that is much worse than what we have today, and quite possibly it may turn out to be better.
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Post by hazellend on Mar 30, 2018 11:10:31 GMT
Lendy won’t fail.
A couple of huge repayments coming will show that
This OP is bordering on libellous.
I also cannot believe that the OP has 300k of his families money invested but would post such an idiotic thing
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Post by zedi on Mar 30, 2018 11:53:30 GMT
How have they already failed? It's not a bank where you deposit into an instant access savings account. The only thing that's failed is their strategy to become 'the biggest and best platform in the universe or whatever they once said. Hopefully it will move to a more steady and stable growth moving forward. They have failed as they have lost the trust of the majority of investors. Therefore they cannot fund any new loans they put up unless they are heavily underwritten off platform. Most important they cannot fund existing development loans so they are what is known as toast - and frankly are now just an irritating liability to p2p in general and specifically to anyone who does any business with them as a lender, borrower or otherwise How do you know that they lost trust of the majority of investors? Just because there are some people complaining here? And complaining about what exactly? That there was a risk in investing via Lendy and the 12% interest weren´t just a free meal? That it is not guaranteed to exit any time via the secondary market because it relies on supply and demand? That some valuations of complex loans are too optimistic? That there are some delays with some loans/borrowers? Sorry but most complains here are just ridiculous because the issues are inherent in the system of property briding/development loans or p2p loans in general and if someone blames Lendy for it, it just shows how little they understood in what they invested... But your second point - the funding of existing development loans - is a real concern, especially if there is so much agitation against Lendy going on here. Lendy proved in the past that they can value property correctly and also that they can recover debts quite well. Furthermore, they have a very profitable business model and therefore I think there is still enough air in the interest spread to offer cashback etc. to attract lenders into existing development loans, if needed, until the sentiment about Lendy changes again.
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Post by dovap on Mar 30, 2018 11:58:56 GMT
day off today - you must be looking forward to this years jolly at Cowes Zedi ?
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Post by scerbera on Mar 30, 2018 12:29:59 GMT
They have failed as they have lost the trust of the majority of investors. Therefore they cannot fund any new loans they put up unless they are heavily underwritten off platform. Most important they cannot fund existing development loans so they are what is known as toast - and frankly are now just an irritating liability to p2p in general and specifically to anyone who does any business with them as a lender, borrower or otherwise How do you know that they lost trust of the majority of investors? Just because there are some people complaining here? And complaining about what exactly? That there was a risk in investing via Lendy and the 12% interest weren´t just a free meal? That it is not guaranteed to exit any time via the secondary market because it relies on supply and demand? That some valuations of complex loans are too optimistic? That there are some delays with some loans/borrowers? Sorry but most complains here are just ridiculous because the issues are inherent in the system of property briding/development loans or p2p loans in general and if someone blames Lendy for it, it just shows how little they understood in what they invested... But your second point - the funding of existing development loans - is a real concern, especially if there is so much agitation against Lendy going on here. Lendy proved in the past that they can value property correctly and also that they can recover debts quite well. Furthermore, they have a very profitable business model and therefore I think there is still enough air in the interest spread to offer cashback etc. to attract lenders into existing development loans, if needed, until the sentiment about Lendy changes again. What debts have been recovered well, the garden center? Which properties have been valued correctly? Any of those overdue or in default? I think not, if they were then it would be a fairly painless process to recover the full amount outstanding. No one is complaining about the risk, people are pi$$ed at the completely incorrect valuations, in some cases so far off that they may have been scrawled by a 5 year old, and that a repayment for dfl 05 has been completely misappropriated, so yes, any one with a bean in dfl 05 has zero trust in Lendy, which is likely to be a high percentage of investors. What they have done is simply outrageous.
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Post by jonno on Mar 30, 2018 12:36:11 GMT
Too right!! And if they do fail I'll be left with Rockall
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Post by loftankerman on Mar 30, 2018 12:51:57 GMT
They have failed as they have lost the trust of the majority of investors. Therefore they cannot fund any new loans they put up unless they are heavily underwritten off platform. Most important they cannot fund existing development loans so they are what is known as toast - and frankly are now just an irritating liability to p2p in general and specifically to anyone who does any business with them as a lender, borrower or otherwise How do you know that they lost trust of the majority of investors? Just because there are some people complaining here? And complaining about what exactly? That there was a risk in investing via Lendy and the 12% interest weren´t just a free meal? That it is not guaranteed to exit any time via the secondary market because it relies on supply and demand? That some valuations of complex loans are too optimistic? That there are some delays with some loans/borrowers? Sorry but most complains here are just ridiculous because the issues are inherent in the system of property briding/development loans or p2p loans in general and if someone blames Lendy for it, it just shows how little they understood in what they invested... But your second point - the funding of existing development loans - is a real concern, especially if there is so much agitation against Lendy going on here. Lendy proved in the past that they can value property correctly and also that they can recover debts quite well. Furthermore, they have a very profitable business model and therefore I think there is still enough air in the interest spread to offer cashback etc. to attract lenders into existing development loans, if needed, until the sentiment about Lendy changes again. For someone who only appears to have made their first post around two hours ago, you seem to have been rushing around a lot supporting Lendy and criticising their detractors.
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