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Post by charliebrown on May 1, 2018 11:44:40 GMT
However, my biggest fear and my worst nightmare, is that LY will just cut and run and leave us all high and dry. I worry about this scenario all the time and any small turn of events, such as the interest run being late, scares the living daylights out of me. That's not healthy at all and suggests you're overexposed. I suggest cutting back to levels you're comfortable with. If only it were that simple. Yes, I am overstretched. Was comfortable with it at a point in time. I’m currently very uncomfortable and trying, unsuccessfully, to reduce my exposure.
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Post by loftankerman on May 1, 2018 13:34:09 GMT
That's not healthy at all and suggests you're overexposed. I suggest cutting back to levels you're comfortable with. If only it were that simple. Yes, I am overstretched. Was comfortable with it at a point in time. I’m currently very uncomfortable and trying, unsuccessfully, to reduce my exposure. I understand where you are coming from. The cutting back proposition reminds me of an old joke. A motorist stops and asks a pedestrian for directions to some local landmark. The pedestrian prefaces his reply with "Well. If I were you, I wouldn't start from here." I was in a similar situation in my fifties watching a worst case scenario unfold with a very sizeable portion of my savings disappearing with Equitable Life. On the up-side it drove me into years of greater activity in a longer working life than I had anticipated were awaiting me in retirement, at the age of around 60. Additionally the greater cynicism the experience encouraged meant that my remaining funds weren't at risk in the hands of financial institutions when the banking crisis hit. Thankfully my confidence never recovered even when my finances did. I sensed a change in SS/Lendy after making a final purchase in March 2017. From then on I steadily disposed of almost everything Lendy when there was a near zero length queue of it on the SM. Had I not done I would now have nine Non Performing, five Claims Underway, four Interest Accruing and one IOA. I have a fairly modest, inexpensive, stress free lifestyle and I am content with it. I must have Hobbit DNA in there somewhere. I don't feel a great need to totally maximise my possible income. I worked out a moderate amount that if totally lost on P2P, would affect the size of my estate but within quite reasonable bounds, not my life. That moderate amount apart from several K on DFL004/005 is beavering away for me, well away from Lendy.
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Post by p2plender on May 3, 2018 6:11:49 GMT
Looking at the sm, it looks like you'll stay unsuccessful at selling!
A large repayment or 2 may keep the lights on a little more but most money seems to leave the platform immediately - though Lendy's new found TP authors would of course tell us different.
If Lendy go, and given Collateral, then the whole P2P arena might see panic.
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Post by hazellend on May 3, 2018 6:43:55 GMT
Looking at the sm, it looks like you'll stay unsuccessful at selling! A large repayment or 2 may keep the lights on a little more but most money seems to leave the platform immediately - though Lendy's new found TP authors would of course tell us different. If Lendy go, and given Collateral, then the whole P2P arena might see panic. You do realise Lendy made 3 million profit last year?
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Post by webwizard on May 3, 2018 7:34:00 GMT
You do realise Lendy made 3 million profit last year? Yes, and lenders made £17-18m 'profit' as interest. They win, we win... They fail ... we fail.
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Post by loftankerman on May 3, 2018 7:38:07 GMT
Looking at the sm, it looks like you'll stay unsuccessful at selling! A large repayment or 2 may keep the lights on a little more but most money seems to leave the platform immediately - though Lendy's new found TP authors would of course tell us different. If Lendy go, and given Collateral, then the whole P2P arena might see panic. You do realise Lendy made 3 million profit last year? Don't misunderstand me, I have no wish at all to see Lendy fail, or even struggle. However, given the state of the loan book and suggested difficulty in filling loans, one has to wonder how much of that £3M could be allocated to, and how far it would go, in meeting the costs of recovering all or much of the outstanding potential losses. I fear that some borrowers may be feeling more comfortable being pursued by Lendy than they would a massively resourced bank.
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Post by jackpease on May 3, 2018 9:29:23 GMT
A company making healthy profits from P2P has a very obvious self-interest making the business work for its directors and customers. Start ups and struggling laggards with directors having little to lose are at most risk. Jack P
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Post by SteveT on May 3, 2018 10:33:38 GMT
Not sure where I'm going wrong but, despite the recurring negativity from Lendy's regular "Prophets of Doom", I keep making good money here month-in, month-out. My Lendy account ties for 1st place (with Ablrate) in my XIRR rankings and my "net cash stake" is now down to little more than half my "total account value". Even in the hypothetical scenario of an oft-predicted meltdown, I strongly doubt I'd end up out of pocket.
I don't claim any special powers; just a basic reading of each loan's particulars, some elementary DD and a regular eye on platform updates and forum musings has kept me clear of most of the obvious landmines. Lendy's business model seems pretty stable to me: origination costs funded by upfront borrower fees, ongoing interest margin generates cash to cover operating costs, recovery costs are deducted from sums recovered.
I'm not blind to the risks of P2P (far from it!) but Lendy isn't high on my list of platform concerns.
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Post by xpubman1 on May 3, 2018 13:00:44 GMT
I felt that merely stating a like to this post was not enough, it was words from my mouth from start to finish...thanks.
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Post by blata on May 3, 2018 13:22:31 GMT
Agree with a bit of DD and this forum I have not done badly. Its not all doom, some of the most prolific doom laden posters have stated they have sold or have nothing left in Lendy, so why do they bother posting at all.
I am still returning over 10% so I am happy.
I believe that Lendy have learnt a lot over the last 12 months and are improving, still I can understand some peoples problems as a lot of the earlier loans were a little wayward in the valuations.
When the platform was in its heady days people threw money in with out carrying out any checks and my suspicion is the moaners are in this group.
In is in their interest to talk things up not down .
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Post by ashtondav on May 3, 2018 14:42:16 GMT
Is Lundy about to fail? You only have to look at the DFs and read the threads on the forum to know where Lundy is ultimately heading. Like many other investors (but obviously not all who frequent this forum) I am not prepared to ramp up lundy in order to encourage new investors who might somehow keep Lundy afloat in order to help mitigate the losses of current investors. Do not invest in Lundy. Do not encourage other investors to do so neither. I Hope that we all get at least a 65% payout on the DFs which with all the interest earned should hopefully make us break even. Ps Thanks for the fish. Why can’t you spell Lendy?
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Post by brightspark on May 3, 2018 15:09:00 GMT
I am very concerned by the amount of cash I’ve got stuck in defaulted loans, yes, I said it, DEFAULTED. However, my biggest fear and my worst nightmare, is that LY will just cut and run and leave us all high and dry. I worry about this scenario all the time and any small turn of events, such as the interest run being late, scares the living daylights out of me. Worrying about anything never does any good. Accept you have made some poor calls and then move on in life. Currently quite a few loans on Lendy are virtually unsaleable due to the secondary market overhang - you are not alone so don't panic. With those for now accept the interest payments rolling in and bide your time. Eventually things will/should move in your direction and you can then diversify perhaps to other platforms or into other areas of investment. I speak from a position of strength being a lender to Wolverhampton, Marylebone, the Arboretum etc etc via Lendy as well as being invested on the Collateral platform, London loan (FC), Rishton and Turbine loans (FS) - a real roll of honour. Although peer to peer was introduced to the public as an easy in easy out investment the reality is that because debtor legislation is weak and some borrowers inclined to be economical with the truth or delusional, lending needs a 5 year time frame.
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Post by patright on May 3, 2018 16:11:56 GMT
aie aie aie, I had not been looking closely at things for a while and indeed the number of defaulted loans is huge and the provision fund very small compared to the liability they have
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Post by justplayin on May 3, 2018 17:50:45 GMT
What do people not see in "Your Capital is at Risk" ? If you are willing to spend time checking all the DD's and making your own checks you cannot blame Lendy for when Borrowers fail to pay, Lendy after all is just a facilitator to all this and guess what they are here to make money like the rest of us and why not. There is nothing to stop people becoming their own P2P lender as far as I can see so if you are unhappy in the way Lendy are doing things start your own P2P. Yes I have some loans tied up in defaults but then thats the lie of the land in this game, if you dont want "your capital" to be at risk put it in a bank
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Post by mary on May 3, 2018 18:28:57 GMT
What do people not see in "Your Capital is at Risk" Yes I have some loans tied up in defaults but then thats the lie of the land in this game, if you dont want "your capital" to be at risk put it in a bank I could not agree more! However, many people have been fooled by lure of higher returns that are now turning lower and incurring losses and they then get upset and seem to think that venting here helps! I do think that some platforms have been complicit in the hype, but then they were making hay while the sun shone, and now its shadier, some/many will disappear. Platforms need now to work extra hard to prove recoveries and show that they can survive, or change. I don't think that offering Property loans at 12% is sustainable any longer (actually ~20% to the borrower), the better quality borrowers seem to be moving to the lower rates on offer from RS and Assetz, leaving only the shoddy dregs for the rest. MT have smelt the coffee and are attempting to move on. The Lendy loan book is shrinking and endless new tranches are not filling (can't even remember which, if any, did raise the asked for amount recently). Then developments cannot finish as the funding is not available and the part completed project is finally forced into recovery where it is picked off for a fraction of the loan value because it's distressed. Cue more venting! NB. RS have doubled the proportion of property loans in their portfolio vs a year ago. Assetz property loans offer 6-10%, not 12% usually.
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