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Post by dermot on Apr 8, 2018 15:44:19 GMT
I'm a bit surprised to see suspended loans #227, 230, 233 and others appear in my brand spanking new, scarcely a day old ISA 30DAA account.
In particular, the #227 and #233 updates say that the provision fund will not be covering missed interest payments (in the case of #227, we can expect no interest payments to even be accrued for the extended term.
Does this mean that I'll be accruing more 'possible never to be paid' interest in my ISA 30DAA, or are QAA and 30DAA treated differently?
I have enough of that in my main account.
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Post by happy on Apr 8, 2018 16:02:40 GMT
I'm a bit surprised to see suspended loans #227, 230, 233 and others appear in my brand spanking new, scarcely a day old ISA 30DAA account. In particular, the #227 and #233 updates say that the provision fund will not be covering missed interest payments (in the case of #227, we can expect no interest payments to even be accrued for the extended term. Does this mean that I'll be accruing more 'possible never to be paid' interest in my ISA 30DAA, or are QAA and 30DAA treated differently? I have enough of that in my main account. QAA and 30Day work differently in that you only really have notional ownership of any loan based on the percentage of the QAA/30Day you have and the amount of that loan in the QAA/30Day. You can still sell out as long as there is cash in the QAA/30Day or other loan units can be sold to fund your withdrawal. In theory someone may be left 'holding the baby' if everyone tried to sell out. EDIT: interest is paid irrespective of defaulted loans, assuming the non-defaulted loans are earning enough interest to pay and/or the PF is funded enough to support the interest missing payments... and of course forgot to mention the IFISA QAA/30Day is the same QAA/30Day as the non IFISA accounts, it is not a new pool of loans.
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Post by dermot on Apr 8, 2018 16:08:13 GMT
OK, thanks for that - and does interest still get *paid* (as opposed to accruing in never-never land) even though loans are defaulted?
I'm still a bit puzzled with the concept that a long-defaulted and suspended loan is being purchased - even if only nominally - in a newly created ISA 30DAA. If such a loan is suspended, in what way (and from where) can parts be sold, however notionally?
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Post by happy on Apr 8, 2018 16:21:30 GMT
in some ways investing in the QAA/30Day is like investing in an investment trust where technically you could say you are invested in the stock the investment trust is invested in but you are not actually in that when you invest the trust does not go and buy a portfolio of stock for you however the fund is managed for all investors.
As far as I understand interest will always be paid at the advertised rates assuming the PF is funded and there is enough income from the loans in the QAA/30Day to support full payment of interest. In the event of the loans held in the QAA not providing enough interest I believe that interest rate can be reduced however I understand this to be only happen once a month. Having said that, AC have never actually put in writing what thresholds exist and therefore at which point interest may be reduced in the future. Bottom line is it is a capped rate that will never exceed 3.75%/4.25% but there is a possibility it could be reduced by AC if conditions dictate.
Hope this helps.
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Post by brightspark on Apr 8, 2018 19:54:56 GMT
A new version of musical chairs with the losers i.e. those in a financial crisis slow off the mark, left holding the so-called zero interest unsaleable loans? A we are all in it together sort of thing as long as everything is tickitty-boo.
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Post by ceejay on Apr 8, 2018 20:49:23 GMT
A new version of musical chairs with the losers i.e. those in a financial crisis slow off the mark, left holding the so-called zero interest unsaleable loans? A we are all in it together sort of thing as long as everything is tickitty-boo. Well, that's one way of looking at it. I might point out, though, that exactly the same is true of pretty much every "investment" you might make. If all the buyers in the stock market go away, your shares are worth nothing. Ditto art, gold, property... Sure, there is a possible failure mode for the P2P market where there is massive loss of confidence (for whatever reason), followed by a run on all the easily accessible money and a disappearance of new investors. In such a scenario the best you can hope is that most of the borrowers do pay up and that you get your money back at the end of the set loan periods. You can slightly reduce this risk for yourself by keeping to shorter loans so that you won't be the last one out, though that is usually at the expense of reduced return. Although its likely that such a massive market failure would be accompanied by general economic turmoil and thence high loan failure rates. That's the risk which you incur for the benefit of a rate of return ("in normal market conditions") which is a lot higher than a measly 1% on cash. Your choice.
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Post by dc848 on Apr 8, 2018 20:59:18 GMT
"Its a wonderful life"
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Post by chris on Apr 8, 2018 21:24:50 GMT
OK, thanks for that - and does interest still get *paid* (as opposed to accruing in never-never land) even though loans are defaulted? I'm still a bit puzzled with the concept that a long-defaulted and suspended loan is being purchased - even if only nominally - in a newly created ISA 30DAA. If such a loan is suspended, in what way (and from where) can parts be sold, however notionally? Suspended loans are only tradable in the access accounts as long as funds have been ring-fenced in the provision fund to cover the expected losses, and then only with others in the access accounts. Otherwise trades in those loans cease and lenders are stuck with holdings in those loans. If that ever happens then lenders will be informed. Customer services will be able to talk you through the detail should you have more questions.
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Post by dermot on Apr 8, 2018 22:03:28 GMT
OK, thanks for that - and does interest still get *paid* (as opposed to accruing in never-never land) even though loans are defaulted? I'm still a bit puzzled with the concept that a long-defaulted and suspended loan is being purchased - even if only nominally - in a newly created ISA 30DAA. If such a loan is suspended, in what way (and from where) can parts be sold, however notionally? Suspended loans are only tradable in the access accounts as long as funds have been ring-fenced in the provision fund to cover the expected losses, and then only with others in the access accounts. Otherwise trades in those loans cease and lenders are stuck with holdings in those loans. If that ever happens then lenders will be informed. Customer services will be able to talk you through the detail should you have more questions. OK, that makes sense. Is the aim, then, to spread the pain a bit thinner and further around as th total value of 30day and qaa grows? Rather than just leaving the disposition as is?
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Post by chris on Apr 9, 2018 11:49:49 GMT
Suspended loans are only tradable in the access accounts as long as funds have been ring-fenced in the provision fund to cover the expected losses, and then only with others in the access accounts. Otherwise trades in those loans cease and lenders are stuck with holdings in those loans. If that ever happens then lenders will be informed. Customer services will be able to talk you through the detail should you have more questions. OK, that makes sense. Is the aim, then, to spread the pain a bit thinner and further around as th total value of 30day and qaa grows? Rather than just leaving the disposition as is? As the account grows your holding will be rebalanced to match the average, so you will hold less and less in each loan as new loans are bought with fresh funds, as your holding is then rebalanced into those loans.
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Post by sapphire on May 23, 2018 10:03:57 GMT
OK, thanks for that - and does interest still get *paid* (as opposed to accruing in never-never land) even though loans are defaulted? I'm still a bit puzzled with the concept that a long-defaulted and suspended loan is being purchased - even if only nominally - in a newly created ISA 30DAA. If such a loan is suspended, in what way (and from where) can parts be sold, however notionally? Suspended loans are only tradable in the access accounts as long as funds have been ring-fenced in the provision fund to cover the expected losses, and then only with others in the access accounts. Otherwise trades in those loans cease and lenders are stuck with holdings in those loans. If that ever happens then lenders will be informed. Customer services will be able to talk you through the detail should you have more questions. Is this still true or have the rules subsequently changed? Asking as when I spoke to a AC customer service rep today I was told that if a loan allocated to a QAA investment is in default or suspended, the investor will *never* be able to immediately withdraw the portion allocated to such a loan, even in a QAA. Please could you clarify if this is correct.
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Post by chris on May 23, 2018 10:06:45 GMT
Suspended loans are only tradable in the access accounts as long as funds have been ring-fenced in the provision fund to cover the expected losses, and then only with others in the access accounts. Otherwise trades in those loans cease and lenders are stuck with holdings in those loans. If that ever happens then lenders will be informed. Customer services will be able to talk you through the detail should you have more questions. Is this still true or have the rules subsequently changed? Asking as when I spoke to a AC customer service rep today I was told that if a loan allocated to a QAA investment is in default or suspended, the investor will *never* be able to immediately withdraw the portion allocated to such a loan, even in a QAA. Please could you clarify if this is correct. What I said is true and the customer service rep was incorrect. I suspect they've confused your question with the other non-access accounts. I'll make sure they are corrected.
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Post by cb25 on May 23, 2018 10:16:28 GMT
Is this still true or have the rules subsequently changed? Asking as when I spoke to a AC customer service rep today I was told that if a loan allocated to a QAA investment is in default or suspended, the investor will *never* be able to immediately withdraw the portion allocated to such a loan, even in a QAA. Please could you clarify if this is correct. What I said is true and the customer service rep was incorrect. I suspect they've confused your question with the other non-access accounts. I'll make sure they are corrected. Since we're talking about the 30day account, it would be nice if we could get an answer out of AC regarding what notice period will be given if the 30day rate ever decreases.
I asked this via email last week
“The 30-Day Access Account gives you flexibility while delivering a fair return on investment. It offers a target, capped interest rate for investors of 5.1% p.a. gross. This rate varies, and the current rate will be announced at the start of each month.
My concern is that after the recent (very welcome) rise to 5.1%, I may put money in towards the end of a month – only to find that at the start of the next month, AC decide to drop the rate. My funds will then be ‘locked in’ for the better part of a month at a rate lower than I invested at.
I would expect, in fairness to customers, that AC will give a minimum of 30 days notice of any reduction in rate, to allow any customers unhappy with the rate to withdraw their funds from that account."
Got this email reply today:
"I have asked for clarification from my manager and I will come back to you by COP on Friday."
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Is it really that difficult a question ?
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Post by chris on May 23, 2018 10:23:10 GMT
cb25 - I suspect that the answer could be deemed a financial promotion as it is related to an inducement to lend and hasn't been explicitly stated elsewhere, in which case it has to go through our compliance process for sign off as per FCA regulation and general best practice.
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Post by sapphire on May 23, 2018 10:26:30 GMT
Is this still true or have the rules subsequently changed? Asking as when I spoke to a AC customer service rep today I was told that if a loan allocated to a QAA investment is in default or suspended, the investor will *never* be able to immediately withdraw the portion allocated to such a loan, even in a QAA. Please could you clarify if this is correct. What I said is true and the customer service rep was incorrect. I suspect they've confused your question with the other non-access accounts. I'll make sure they are corrected. Many thanks for your prompt response. You had stated "Suspended loans are only tradable in the access accounts as long as funds have been ring-fenced in the provision fund to cover the expected losses" Per www.assetzcapital.co.uk/invest/our-accounts/quick-access-account/how-it-works "The cash balance held in the Provision Fund for the QAA was £0.7m as at 30th April 2018"....0.86% Expected Loss in the QAA....Provision Fund Coverage: 2.20x Kindly confirm if this £0.7m figure represents the provision fund 'ring-fenced' to cover expected losses for the QAA.
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