Liz
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Post by Liz on Apr 11, 2018 9:51:58 GMT
Any comments?
FCA is authorisation a positive. First impressions good. Does the site make a profit? A loss making site long term could fail.
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rocky1
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Post by rocky1 on Apr 12, 2018 8:34:24 GMT
hopefully kuflink can grow and become a company that lenders can talk to and trust. having a 20% stake also tells me that unlike many other platforms they are more accurate with DD and valuations.6/7% rates i feel are quite good to have for 9/12 or 18 month loans as long as kuflink keep on top of borrowers which i think they do.kuflink can learn a lot from looking at these forums and gain lots of small/medium range investors who have got caught out by the hype of the 12% carrot.i feel also that although most loans are first charge kuflink should also obtain debenture and PGs.extra security to start with could save a lot of time/money further down the line.as a lot of members know on these forums a 12 month loan can still be going on 2/3 years later with little chance of 100% capital return let alone any interest so dead money really.i will be investing more with kuflink as and when funds become available from the other platforms that i have totally lost belief in anything they communicate to their lenders.
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Post by invester on Apr 12, 2018 10:43:12 GMT
If Lendy brought out residential loans paying 6.x% there would be snorts of derision, I'm sure. But I suppose Kuflink have a clean slate to start.
On the face of it the loans look fairly reasonable but the recent promotion must have cost them a fair bit and they would need to start getting some volume in.
There will be bad loans but their skin in the game is perhaps even better than a provision fund.
I've become quite cynical of these things. There is a tried and tested path where everything is rosy at the start, problem loans come in and then platforms become more uncommunicative and then re-write T&Cs at the expense of investors.
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rocky1
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Post by rocky1 on Apr 12, 2018 12:48:22 GMT
cannot compare kuflink to lendy.as we know lendy do not give a t**s about lenders funds and will keep throwing out more and more tranches of the same loans to get their fees in on drawdown of whatever has been funded.kuflink can learn a lot from lendy/fs/mt/etc by knowing that the dd and valuations are very important should a loan default. kuflink with 20% in the loan tells me that they dont just throw out our money to any dodgy people who have the gift of the gab with big development plans and give them millions of pounds on made up gdvs. as i said kuflink will attract a lot more small/mid range investors who are happy with 6/7%.as lendy keep telling everybody diversify.dont forget your capital is at risk.ok not 12% but a lot less BS and a platform whom i think will steadily grow as the exodus of people who have had enough of never ending dfls and would just like capital/interest back after or soon after 6/12/18 months as the loan states.
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Post by jnm21 on Apr 14, 2018 12:26:36 GMT
rocky1 I agree with you that the 20% is a very big comfort, but do we overvalue it? I will explain my musings (not saying they are fact or that I even believe them myself)! Say kuflink get a fee on the loan & the percentage charged to the borrower is closer to 12%, do you see where I am going? If 1 in 5 loans failed with a 100% loss (which is unlikely with any due care), the 5% profit on the other 4 covers the 20% & the fees are profit. I am a novice investor & the above may be way off; then again the wiser folk may be able to make a better theory from my musings!
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Post by stub8535 on Apr 14, 2018 12:49:40 GMT
Any comments? FCA is authorisation a positive. First impressions good. Does the site make a profit? A loss making site long term could fail. Please do not allow fca authorisation sway you Liz. The display on the compnies website may not tell the whole story about what the FCA think the platform need from the business plan submitted and what has been granted. As the FCA now have a p2p platform before courts they may look to clarify some rules in the relevant act around regulated activity, pawn or collective investments amongst other things. This could have a knock on impact to other platforms. Also please do not be swayed as a platform has ifisa approval from HMRC or they act as overseer for appointed representatives. These authorisations are often over estimated when considering risk of platforms.
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Liz
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Post by Liz on Apr 14, 2018 22:32:03 GMT
Any comments? FCA is authorisation a positive. First impressions good. Does the site make a profit? A loss making site long term could fail. Please do not allow fca authorisation sway you Liz. The display on the compnies website may not tell the whole story about what the FCA think the platform need from the business plan submitted and what has been granted. As the FCA now have a p2p platform before courts they may look to clarify some rules in the relevant act around regulated activity, pawn or collective investments amongst other things. This could have a knock on impact to other platforms. Also please do not be swayed as a platform has ifisa approval from HMRC or they act as overseer for appointed representatives. These authorisations are often over estimated when considering risk of platforms. It doesn't sway me, but it is a positive, in as much as Kufflink won't be put into administration by the FCA like Col effectively was. Still plenty of negatives out there that will take time to improve. I want to see that a site is profitable and financially secure before I invest large sums. That's why I avoided the likes of Col and MT.
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Liz
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Post by Liz on Apr 14, 2018 22:50:48 GMT
OK I was swayed! I invested £200(a few of days of p2p interest)for a free £100.
I do worry that we haven't seen the last platform failure. We may even see an established site fail in the next few years.
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Post by metoo on Apr 15, 2018 1:58:27 GMT
According to Companies House filings for the parent company Kuflink Group plc, the group reported profit of £181k to 30/6/2017, 4.75% of turnover. The group balance sheet showed £4.1M of net assets. Detailed accounts are published. During the year, £883k was capitalised in relation to the platform software, so that may be a major one-off cost.
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Post by elephantrosie on May 7, 2018 8:08:58 GMT
OK I was swayed! I invested £200(a few of days of p2p interest)for a free £100. I do worry that we haven't seen the last platform failure. We may even see an established site fail in the next few years. indeed de javu from another platform that begins with C. i am also joining Kufflink for the free 100 soon. Not going to deposit anymore than that as most my investments go under ISA
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Post by Greenwood2 on May 7, 2018 9:57:57 GMT
How do you get the free £100?
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Post by carolus on May 7, 2018 10:09:05 GMT
How do you get the free £100? Their previous referral offer was invest £200 and both referer and referee get £100. The new one requires a £500 investment instead.
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Post by upland on May 7, 2018 17:45:03 GMT
I quite like Kuflink but its early days yet. If they can maintain returns in the 7% range and keep on top of the defaults then it should be fine given the current interest rate scenario. I did think that the 20% skin in the game would cut their growth. At these returns there is not much scope for serious failures. I was hoping that then would become a second LendInvest but they do need a few more loans on their book.
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Post by rocky1 on May 10, 2018 6:09:20 GMT
i would like to think that the reason for flow of loans is that kuflink are a lot more active behind the scenes with their DD and and other checks and have probably rejected quite a few.i personally like the info and the way loans are brought to the platform and ok it is early days yet but it seems kuflink are doing their best to not end up in the same situation as a few other platforms.steady growth/lender confidence and open and honest comms and kuflink could be around for a long time.
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Post by marka on May 10, 2018 14:12:25 GMT
i would like to think that the reason for flow of loans is that kuflink are a lot more active behind the scenes with their DD and and other checks and have probably rejected quite a few.i personally like the info and the way loans are brought to the platform and ok it is early days yet but it seems kuflink are doing their best to not end up in the same situation as a few other platforms.steady growth/lender confidence and open and honest comms and kuflink could be around for a long time. But open and honest comms is the very antithesis of what we've had previously (whether over the "reserve feature" the "skin in the game removal/shrinkage" or the nature of the "guaranteed 20% first loss"). I am continuing to run down my holdings here. Kuflink have as long as it takes me to do that (~10 months excluding the Beach Road NR11 property) to convince me to change my mind.
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