puddleduck
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Post by puddleduck on Jun 10, 2018 10:22:21 GMT
I use QAA and 30DayAA as a float for any property purchases I make via auction - I need to complete in cash and within 28 days typically. I queue 30DayAA withdrawals about 4 days before the auction - if unsucessful in my bidding, I cancel the 30DayAA sell out order and the money stays there til the next month. This has always worked well for me, and I feel pretty confident I can always access my money, having done so a few times in the past. I am aware this may not always be the case, but it beats sitting in the bank for me. I personally keep most of my P2P in fairly liquid accounts - if I wasn't liquid, I could end up being on the wrong end of high cost bridging loans to complete within 28 days, I did a similar thing on a recent cash property purchase on the 30 day access account, mainly to take advantage of the 1% bonus rate - I couldnt resist it and the interest I earned paid for my solicitor Was a bit of a gamble but that is part of the fun. Yes, the interest I earned vs an FSCS protected account paid for the auction house fees and my solicitor with leftovers, I'd be losing several thousand a year in interest if I took a conservative approach. I tend to be fairly contrarian when it comes to investing to be fair, and one day I may get caught out by an ill-liquid market, as you say especially with a cash purchase it's a bit of a gamble!
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Post by dermot on Jun 10, 2018 12:04:26 GMT
I'm now retired and split my funds into modest capital growth and income supplementation. I have a fairly large chunk in 30DAA and place 25% sellout orders every week for a month ahead, and then cancel if - as is usual - I don't need any extra cash that week. This replaces my previous use of QAA.
I guess that provides a bit of safety in case of looming illiquidity - since there is that 30day delay in actually withdrawals, I'm reasonably likely to get maybe a couple of 25% chunks out.
Not that AC has given me any cause to be overly concerned about their stability.
I'd be very happy if AC introduced a 90 day notice account, with a rate of, say, 5.25% and would run the same strategy - particularly in an ISA..
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dermot
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Post by dermot on Jun 10, 2018 12:06:12 GMT
Many lenders used to treat Saving Stream / Lendy loans like an instant access savings product, assuming there'd always be an immediate buyer for anything they sold. The transition from "super liquid" to "seriously constipated" was rapid when lender confidence dipped. The risk of losing money on QAA / 30DAA investments is undoubtedly much lower but "normal market conditions" should never be relied on if rapid access to funds is critical. The downside of marketing a financial product whose primary feature is instant access (with a commensurately lower rate of interest) is that a large proportion of its investors will be spooked at the first hint of this instant access being jeopardised and will seek to withdraw simultaneously. Thus a transition from "normal" to "abnormal" conditions could take just hours and, if/when this happens, I can't see "normality" being restored for a very long time. The QAA and 30DAA are excellent for parking cash awaiting investment opportunities elsewhere and for lower risk / lower return investments where ease of access is advantageous. But I wouldn't dream of using them just to make a few extra pounds on time-critical funds. As others have recommended, use an FSCS-protected bank account or NS&I product instead. If my memory is accurate, it was the withdrawal of INPL on the SM that pretty much immediately triggered the start of the LY constipation, then it only went downhill from there.
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Post by brightspark on Jun 10, 2018 13:21:04 GMT
Hi all Im selling out of all my loans as Ill need the cash in a few months. Its tempting to leave the cash sat in AS cash account which is currently earning 4.1% in the QAA account. Id rather it earns 4.1% than 0% in my current account. Is this sensible? Is this money diversified across many loans? What if one of those loans default, will I not be able to get that portion of my money out when I need it? Thanks Unless you keep your cash under the bed, money in any financial institution is at risk. Going back hundreds of years banks and building societies backed up by the limited government guarantee have been the safest place for ordinary punters to store their money. P to P is a new industry so no one is sure how things will pan out in a serious economic downturn. If you must have access to your savings in a few months time the safest places based on past precedent are the traditional financial institutions. If you have more flexibility or some risk tolerance then QAA may be right for you. if you want to hedge your bets money could be split amongst different institutions. The recent demise of Beaufort securities has high-lighted the worthlessness of so-called ring fencing of nominee accounts which perhaps also should be born in mind should AC for any reason be forced into Administration.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 12, 2018 6:34:09 GMT
I'm taking the view that if there is a 'disaster' across P2P (especially one of the best platforms like Assetz), then the whole financial eco-system is in trouble, or will be shortly after. Therefore asset prices should come down, so any funds locked in could be less important because the price of the thing you need to buy should come down as well, but in time. Obviously doesn't work for everything, but if you think worst possible outcome - then it it would be sensible to apply that to everything otherwise you are hedging too much to the dark side and shouldn't be investing in P2P anyway.
Could get hit by a bus tomorrow after all. Have some gold, some P2P, some stocks, some bonds, some in mixed asset funds and a horseshoe under your pillow! BUT if you need to access money urgently in a couple of months, storing any of that in P2P is reckless and pure greed, especially if it means you can't find the funds elsewhere. Live by the sword etc, nobody on here is going to say it is perfectly safe because nothing is.
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Post by bikeman on Jun 19, 2018 18:44:19 GMT
Is the QAA account safe to keep money in the short term? No - look at how AC managed the GEIA and GBBA, do you really trust them not to change their rules and freeze QAA funds when they choose to do so?
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Post by df on Jun 19, 2018 20:17:32 GMT
Is the QAA account safe to keep money in the short term? No - look at how AC managed the GEIA and GBBA, do you really trust them not to change their rules and freeze QAA funds when they choose to do so? Most platforms make mistakes (incl. AC). AC tends to recognise them and make significant improvements. Investing in GEIA and GBBA was one of my biggest p2p mistakes - large proportion of my funds there are not performing. However, I consider QAA and 30-Day as very low risk investments and never had any problems/delays when withdrawing funds from these accounts.
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Post by df on Jun 20, 2018 18:37:36 GMT
No - look at how AC managed the GEIA and GBBA, do you really trust them not to change their rules and freeze QAA funds when they choose to do so? Yes - whats happened with the GEIA and GBBA accounts? Ive had the 'withdraw target' setting on both for a month and nothing has withdrawn! Could that be becuase all my loan holdings have gone bad? Ive clicked through quite a few of the loans I have on both accounts and either there is a 'monitoring event' or 'trading suspended'. Is the PF likely to cover these? Or will it take ages to recover the capital? Yes, this means that your loans are not tradable. PF will cover the shortfall after recovery process is complete, which can take ages.
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locutus
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Post by locutus on Jun 21, 2018 10:02:52 GMT
For an AC newbie, can you tell me what went wrong with the GEIA and GBBA accounts?
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Post by niceguy37 on Jun 21, 2018 13:42:00 GMT
For an AC newbie, can you tell me what went wrong with the GEIA and GBBA accounts? AIUI reductions on government FIT payments have made new opportunities hard to come by, resulting in the closure of the GEIA to new investment. With few loans available diversity was not as good as was hoped for, so matters were not helped when some turbine loans ran into difficulties, leaving investors over-invested in these and unable to extricate their funds. The GBBA initially was capped at 7%, but AC struggled to find loans paying enough interest to cover this and provision fund contributions. So GBBA 1 was closed to new investment, and a new account GBBA2 offered, capped at a slightly lower 6.25% rate. Both the GBBA 1 and GBBA 2 are still performing reasonably, except that a very large loan #227 is suspended in GBBA1 leaving a lot of investors stuck in GBBA1. Both GEIA and GBBA accounts suffered from diversification issues resulting in lenders having too much of individual suspended loans (roughly 20% of a portfolio). Chris assures us that diversification is improving, and there is a new algorithm which gets you invested fairly promptly, then swaps your holdings with other lenders within a particular account, to hopefully result in even diversity across the board. As more lenders join and more loans are issued it is hoped that diversity will further improve. But that doesn't necessarily help the unhappy lenders who've tried to sell up, and are now stuck with suspended loans, and now face a possibly/probably lengthy recovery process before finally getting paid (by the lender or the provision fund). But I still use the GBBA2 and have not had problems since the new algorithm came into effect.
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Post by lobster on Aug 12, 2018 7:35:31 GMT
AC make it clear that investors should be able to access their cash in the QAA immediately "in normal market conditions". OK, fair enough.
However, does the same thing apply to funds which are actually held in AC's cash account , but for which the option has been selected to have these funds "swept" into the QAA ? Or are such funds always immediately available irrespective of market conditions ?
ie. By taking the QAA "sweep funds" option, are investors actually incurring any additional risk ?
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Post by SteveT on Aug 12, 2018 7:41:05 GMT
ie. By taking the QAA "sweep funds" option, are investors actually incurring any additional risk ? Yes (there's no such thing as a free lunch)
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