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Post by 11025 on Jun 23, 2018 8:55:12 GMT
"Assets to be revalued using proper valuers (not sure I'm looking forward to the outcome of that one" agent69
This will be an expensive and perhaps largely unnecessary exercise? In a standard insolvency all manner of goods have to be valued, and sold. Here we already have existing valuations and money lent against these valuations. The actual value is simply the figure achieved when the loan is redeemed (which we hope will happen very soon with many of the loans) or the asset eventually sold.
It seems to apply only to chattel assets - but if borrowers are queuing up to redeem their loans (I did say 'if') then no revaluations are needed??
I concur - Sounds like a totally pointless exercise , the valuation was adequate for the funding of the loan in the first place , if the valuation is not accurate what are they going to do ? I don't think this is in anyway required
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Post by snowmobile on Jun 23, 2018 8:55:25 GMT
Have those of you still waiting checked that the email has not been treated as spam? I didn't get one from Swaper telling me I had won an ipad for doing a survey, but fortunately they tried again. Yes still waiting and I have checked my spam folder. Looks like it will be Monday.
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Post by 11025 on Jun 23, 2018 8:59:25 GMT
Have those of you still waiting checked that the email has not been treated as spam? I didn't get one from Swaper telling me I had won an ipad for doing a survey, but fortunately they tried again. Yes still waiting and I have checked my spam folder. Looks like it will be Monday. Same here and I am not impressed with the drip feeding of information , in this day and age this should be better organised.
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Post by charliebrown on Jun 23, 2018 9:02:45 GMT
Received my proof of debt and it matches to the penny what I had written down. I only kept a running total so have no idea which individual loans and loan parts I was invested in. I hope the data recovered by BDO is intact. Given that most people even back-up their holiday snaps these days I’d think there’s a good chance the data can be recovered.
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Post by chriscross on Jun 23, 2018 9:27:05 GMT
Unfortunately the truth is that BDO have us over a barrel and they know it. The report is a lot of air with little substance, as we all would have realistically felt that a majority of promises should have been completed by now.
They know they can happily throw £1/2 Mill+ in costs at us for dealing with such a small company and there's nothing we're going to do about it, why is that? Well we are 1,000 or so individuals, waiting desperately for our money, which is currently dead money as it is not doing what we invested it for in the first place, earn us more money. We all want it back now, to either put it under the mattress or invest again, with more caution I would imagine.
So if we reject BDO, we can pretty much guarantee adding up to another year to this sorry debacle, and in reality probably even more costs.
So can I just say what we are probably all thinking. BDO, get your fingers out of that orifice and get on with it already!!!
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Post by hazellend on Jun 23, 2018 9:59:43 GMT
Unfortunately the truth is that BDO have us over a barrel and they know it. The report is a lot of air with little substance, as we all would have realistically felt that a majority of promises should have been completed by now. They know they can happily throw £1/2 Mill+ in costs at us for dealing with such a small company and there's nothing we're going to do about it, why is that? Well we are 1,000 or so individuals, waiting desperately for our money, which is currently dead money as it is not doing what we invested it for in the first place, earn us more money. We all want it back now, to either put it under the mattress or invest again , with more caution I would imagine.
So if we reject BDO, we can pretty much guarantee adding up to another year to this sorry debacle, and in reality probably even more costs. So can I just say what we are probably all thinking. BDO, get your fingers out of that orifice and get on with it already!!! Sorry but that is just rubbish. 80 billable hours is 10 working days. Your expectations are very unrealistic.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Jun 23, 2018 10:07:59 GMT
Please let's be CLEAR ; IT'S VALUE FOR MONEY THAT MATTERS, not how much per hour, or how many hours but what has been achieved for that money in those hours. Everyone can have a different view whether what they have received so far is worth £36k, I am in the very expensive camp, but am happy to concede others might think they have had a bargain.
I would be very interested for anyone to be able to demonstrate that £1/2m was going to be good value for money?
Please feel free to show your workings!
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Post by hantsowl on Jun 23, 2018 10:11:41 GMT
I am also waiting on one of my accounts. I hope this arrives Monday or later since we certainly don’t want BDO working double time rates over the weekend 😉
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Post by picnicman on Jun 23, 2018 10:21:45 GMT
Can anyone ? SteveT or ilmoro or archie throw any thoughts in on the £477k imbalance on lenders funds versus what appears to be in the pot? I am assuming that the lenders indebtedness of £17.5m does not include accrued interest as it likely totals all out proof of debts forms. Therefore if interest is received then both sides of the equation go up by the same amount. Given that, surely the $477k is light becoause cash held will include some interest retained which is not in the £17.5m. The only gap closure I can see is the £350k+ taken out by Directors and that possibly there are some further bank accounts somewhere. I just find the numbers confusing to understand so any thoughts/views appreciated. Also by my understanding, we are in a position of a 6% loss to start with (£477k + £500k fees out of £17.5m) which can only increase for such as defaults less any interest received? Do people think this should be a matter for urgent discussion at the Creditors Committee? Would be happy for the three above to be on it if they felt the wish - they all have longstanding presences on the forum and have a wealth of knowledge to ask both the searching and obvious questions - up to them, just a thought, but equally happy with DI.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Jun 23, 2018 10:54:03 GMT
Please let's be CLEAR ; IT'S VALUE FOR MONEY THAT MATTERS, not how much per hour, or how many hours but what has been achieved for that money in those hours. Everyone can have a different view whether what they have received so far is worth £36k, I am in the very expensive camp, but am happy to concede others might think they have had a bargain.
I would be very interested for anyone to be able to demonstrate that £1/2m was going to be good value for money?
Please feel free to show your workings! Presumably the fees would be to an extent overseen by the creditors committee? If you feel strongly that they should be closely questioned put yourself forward as part of the team. I will commit to supporting your application (If only out of Idle curiosity)
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Jun 23, 2018 11:06:17 GMT
That is a most gracious, if qualified, offer of support & I have given the matter serious consideration but have concluded that lenders interests would be best served by a collective voice, as opposed to individual representatives, & as such have pledged my support to Steve Findlay as the Bond Mason applicant, provided that he liaises with Ed MoneyThing to coordinate strategy & approach. I feel this approach will give investors the most "value for money" to continue a theme.
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Post by tx on Jun 23, 2018 11:48:42 GMT
Still waiting for my email to confirm amount. Anyone else waiting?
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Post by tx on Jun 23, 2018 11:48:46 GMT
Still waiting for my email to confirm amount. Anyone else waiting?
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Post by chriscross on Jun 23, 2018 11:53:33 GMT
Unfortunately the truth is that BDO have us over a barrel and they know it. The report is a lot of air with little substance, as we all would have realistically felt that a majority of promises should have been completed by now. They know they can happily throw £1/2 Mill+ in costs at us for dealing with such a small company and there's nothing we're going to do about it, why is that? Well we are 1,000 or so individuals, waiting desperately for our money, which is currently dead money as it is not doing what we invested it for in the first place, earn us more money. We all want it back now, to either put it under the mattress or invest again , with more caution I would imagine.
So if we reject BDO, we can pretty much guarantee adding up to another year to this sorry debacle, and in reality probably even more costs. So can I just say what we are probably all thinking. BDO, get your fingers out of that orifice and get on with it already!!! Sorry but that is just rubbish. 80 billable hours is 10 working days. Your expectations are very unrealistic. As I scratch my head, I still have no idea how your comment "80 billable hours is 10 working days" relates to anything in my comment. Please expand..
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Post by hazellend on Jun 23, 2018 12:12:13 GMT
Sorry but that is just rubbish. 80 billable hours is 10 working days. Your expectations are very unrealistic. As I scratch my head, I still have no idea how your comment "80 billable hours is 10 working days" relates to anything in my comment. Please expand.. BDO have only put 80 hours into it so far
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