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Post by df on Jun 23, 2018 22:42:32 GMT
Whoops sorry I didn't mean to post the above. I received mine a few hours ago & been through emails & bank statements & mine seems lower than what it should be as well. I didn't investigate that far. I was convinced the figure is correct because it wasn't far off from what I expected, but mainly because the figure was xxx0.00 and I'm sure my holdings were always ending on 0.00 (except the 1st of each month). It is also reassuring that many reported that their figures match to an exact penny.
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Post by blink on Jun 23, 2018 23:30:25 GMT
Just got back from holiday and nothing for me or the other half as yet..probably be Monday now, though rather hoping it comes through tomorrow. There is always that little bit of doubt, that something is amiss.
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Post by steelspanner on Jun 24, 2018 3:09:53 GMT
Nothing for me or my wife yet.
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Post by jcb208 on Jun 24, 2018 5:23:49 GMT
No form for me either, maybe the person dealing with it only works evenings in their spare time to save costs
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Post by zendog on Jun 24, 2018 6:40:33 GMT
I received my personalised Proof of Debt form at 17:05 on Friday. It matches to the penny the details I have on my own spreadsheet of investments with Coll.
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Post by agent69 on Jun 24, 2018 7:59:03 GMT
You really can't be serious; cut & paste the RR report, recover a measly £212k out of £17M, secure the servers (but still not reconstructed the loanbook) & sent a few investors their statement of holdings (personally I've still not received anything other than the report) & you would wait 8 weeks & pay £36k for that sort of progress & be happy that you had value for money??? Some people are clearly very easily pleased - I expect you think £1/2M is a reasonable fee as well?
PLEASE BDO - GET ON WITH IT.
I would be interested to know the qualifications and experience that you posses, which entitles you to make such scathing comments on the specialist activity of administration.You come across a bit like an opposition MP: quick to criticise, but at no point offering anything constructive. So regarding the issues you are unhappy with:
- Plagiarism - RR never produced a report, and were quick to distance themselves from a 'draft' that was leaked in their name. In any case, would you prefer BDO to use information which is freely available, or would you rather they reinvented the wheel and put the costs on the bill?
- Recovery of £212k out of £17m - there appear to be 2 ways that income is received by BDO, either somebody gives them money voluntarily, or they force recovery through the courts. Given that BDO have very little control over the first scenario, and 8 weeks isn't long enough to go through the court process, what could BDO have done to improve things? How much should they have recovered by now?
- Data - the servers containing the data are twice removed from COL. Who operates them and where are they located? You must know the answer to these questions otherwise how can you have decided the data should have already been recovered and the loan book reconstructed.
- paying £36k for 8 weeks service - please see my other post regarding the correct figures
- £500k estimated cost - I'll go out on a limb here and say that there isn't a single person on this forum who has the faintest idea what the administration should cost.There are lots of people who are complaining about the hourly rates, but that just appears to be a bit of the green eyed envy monster making an appearance. 20 years ago my company paid £350 / hr for a QC to represent us at an arbitration hearing. I don't think that £600 / hr for a partner in one of the big accountancy practices is that far out (I object more to paying £100 / hr for the office junior). £500k equates to 3% of the loan book, and given that many of the loans will probably default (and require legal action to recover them) 3% might not be that bad. In all probability the accuracy of the asset valuations will have a far greater bearing on overall recovery than BDO's fee. So $64,000 question, if £500k is too high, can you confirm what the correct figure is and which company of equivalent stature will do the work for the lower figure.
- Progress - Directors assets have been frozen, steps taken to recover data are in hand and late borrowers have had formal notices to repay. What else do you think should have happened?
The process is effectively split into 2 (getting money in and paying money out). If borrowers can't or won't repay voluntarily then recovery will go to court and take a long time. BDO have little control over this. No money is going to be paid out until BDO have established whether the loan book can be fully reconstructed. Once a decision on that is taken there is no reason why the £1m of accumulated funds (plus the £7 of interest it has earned) cannot be distributed. Don't forget that some people may benefit if there is just one repayment pot.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Jun 24, 2018 9:19:19 GMT
agent69 we are simply never going to agree; this is a small firm with only 1132 investors across a handful, possibly 30, different unique borrowers it certainly isn't a Carrillion scale administration. These borrowers have known they needed to repay since March & many of the loans are now overdue anyway, BDO staff could call & agree a repayment plan with every, single borrower in a single afternoon & either have the money returned or enforce a recovery sale. The bling did have a guaranteed buyback clause with a third party that may well still be applied but even a forced sale should be possible within a very short timescale, so £1.7m worth of chattels could have been largely completed within an 8 week window. Much of the residential property & flats are in a similar position & whilst a forced sale would take longer we should be well down the path of resolution by now. That just leaves the large development loans, some of which are undergoing refinancing on alternative P2P platforms which is a good sign but I do not expect the final ones to be resolved for many months. £212k recovered so far is a pitiful effort however you look at it but you clearly disagree.
Whether you believe RR issued a report or not (AIUI it was blocked by the court?) it remains a fact that they are virtually identical (unsurprisingly as they both were prepared with largely the same dataset). Coll used an external IT firm who should have been contacted on day one & the server information secured, which has finally been achieved, so a full loan specific reconstruction should now be possible & prioritised. That should form the basis of any disbursement schedule as it was the basis on which lenders invested so if the FCA really want to "protect lenders" they should ensure this is adhered to.
As for administration in general it is usually run by box ticking, bean counters who have little or no understanding of the business under their control, hence the creditor/lender confusion. Just as an illustration I saw a £100k speed boat sold by an administrator for £2k because it had a leak, which rendered it almost worthless, whereas in reality a 10 minute google search would have shown it was a top end water ballast system that actually made it far more valuable. As I have said before I don't care how many hours BDO charge or even their rate all that matters is that we get value for money & every single investor ought to be able to give a view whether that is what they are getting, without pinning an exact value on it.
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Post by evilmillsy on Jun 24, 2018 10:25:32 GMT
I received my personalised Proof of Debt form at 17:05 on Friday. It matches to the penny the details I have on my own spreadsheet of investments with Coll. still waiting for mine to arrive, do these have to be returned when they do arrive or are they just for information
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Post by thecleaner on Jun 24, 2018 10:45:58 GMT
Does not need to be returned. Just keep hold for now
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Post by neeps on Jun 24, 2018 13:38:57 GMT
Wife got hers about 8 last night but nothing for me yet
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Post by 11025 on Jun 24, 2018 14:44:12 GMT
Wife got hers about 8 last night but nothing for me yet same here , after that there was no way I could figure out what if any order was used to send
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Post by nd on Jun 24, 2018 15:17:57 GMT
Still waiting too. Finding some reassurance in that I'm not alone!
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Post by mason on Jun 24, 2018 16:37:54 GMT
I received my personalised Proof of Debt form at 17:05 on Friday. It matches to the penny the details I have on my own spreadsheet of investments with Coll. still waiting for mine to arrive, do these have to be returned when they do arrive or are they just for information You will need to return it if you wish to exercise your rights as a creditor (without prejudice to your actual status) or if you wish to dispute their figure. Otherwise you need take no action.
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Post by rxdav on Jun 24, 2018 18:11:18 GMT
Still waiting too. Finding some reassurance in that I'm not alone! You are not alone - I am STILL waiting !!
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Post by nw99 on Jun 24, 2018 19:13:53 GMT
Still waiting as well
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