IFISAcava
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Post by IFISAcava on Jul 5, 2018 23:12:09 GMT
I have a mix of investments too - this isn't a "P2P is better than S&S" thread, it's which one of the two to put in your (limited) ISA wrapper.
I just think that the ISA wrapper benefits P2P more than S&S, and that S&S can benefit from perks outside the ISA (CGT allowance, Dividend allowance) that would otherwise be lost.
The arguments being put forward against a P2P ISA are (largely) arguments against P2P per se.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Jul 6, 2018 6:36:37 GMT
Having said a few posts earlier I am 100% S&S ISA, I need to qualify slightly as my shares have in the past included P2PGI and VSL, so still 100% S&S, but also a few % P2P!
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Post by stevio on Jul 6, 2018 6:51:41 GMT
I have a mix of investments too - this isn't a "P2P is better than S&S" thread, it's which one of the two to put in your (limited) ISA wrapper. I just think that the ISA wrapper benefits P2P more than S&S, and that S&S can benefit from perks outside the ISA (CGT allowance, Dividend allowance) that would otherwise be lost. The arguments being put forward against a P2P ISA are (largely) arguments against P2P per se. Thank you all for contributing, it has brought up probably most of the important points needed and some definite considerations @ifisacava the above post makes sense, samford71 you summarise the important considerations - I think you generally agree on the considerations, but have come to different conclusions as to the best choice for you, which is everyone's right to do so and is purely likely the right decision in your personal circumstances - Thinking aloud it seems, S&S have a significant CGT allowance (as P2P has a IT allowance, but not as large), as well as Dividend allowance, that means a very significant amount could be invested outside a tax wrapper like an ISA and still remain tax free. A significant amount (exact amount depends on the return, but generally 6 figures), which would cover most peoples investments S&S investments. If an investors can use the CGT allowance/Dividend allowance to make their S&S investments tax free, the question then arises would the ISA allowance be best used elsewhere? For some HNW investors, the choice maybe different if they have S&S investments not covered by the CGT/Dividend allowances. Here the highest returning investments might be better sheltered in an ISA, whcih may be S&S - Additionally the CGT rates are lower than HRT, so even outside this CGT allowance, there may be a tax benefit based on your current tax rates - Considerations are needed not only on the underlying investment, both the liquidity and diversity, but also the platforms providing them. Here S&S generally are significantly better than the younger P2P platforms in all these aspects. Yes, this is the S&S vs P2P argument, but you have to consider the underlying investment and provider in your choice of ISA - Levels of returns need consideration, particularly if one is considered significantly higher than the other, the logic would be to shelter the higher returns in an ISA, but this maybe possible under the CGT/Dividend allowances depending on your circumstances
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macq
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Post by macq on Jul 6, 2018 7:36:24 GMT
Good summing up - would add from when this question has been asked on MSE as to hold shares/funds in an ISA or not another couple of points were mentioned.For an average investor it can save paperwork & time to hold S&S in an ISA to save on reporting to the IR (but could be the same with P2P in this case) and also with compounding and growth you can underestimate your long term results over say 20 - 30 years even with the tax breaks outside an ISA
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Post by marka on Jul 16, 2018 20:55:13 GMT
All new ISA investments are P2P for me simply because I'm only just over 4 years from being able to access my SIPP if I suddenly find a need to liquidate some assets, and as I can't (with the odd exception) get P2P into my SIPP this is the most tax efficient way of doing it.
Edited to add: Last tax year I also bunged some into a cash ISA just so that I could transfer it to an IFISA this year in order to more rapidly diversify my ISA-fied P2P holdings.
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