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Post by kpo on Mar 8, 2021 19:07:50 GMT
britishpearl , you notify us that the best independent offer for our properties would have inflicted losses of 40% on the equity owners. In the light of a Brexit deal, vaccine rollout and extended government tax rebates to home buyers do you stand by your decision to sell our portfolio without consultation? Through the kindness of his heart Fink will only inflict losses of 20% on us for our own properties. Considering how preposterously wrong your analysis has been from the outset you must cancel the sale immediately (you have not in any way found a reasonable buyer) and let us continue with our rolling 5 year ownership as we originally bought the properties for. Anything less, and letting your owner profit from our losses in the future, is an unconscionable dereliction of your fiduciary duty. Agree with every word of this. These jokers sold their proposition with the usual blah about long-term investment, patient accumulation of capital, careful selection of properties, etc. And then they behave like typical buy high-sell low stock market novice speculators.
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Post by knotweed on Mar 8, 2021 21:14:15 GMT
Some odd statements in the Offer Letters that have just been sent out, including: - Even after receiving a top bid that would have resulted in a 43% loss, they still believed this a sale was in the best interest of shareholders (!)
- It considers it "cannot take the risk of maintaining ownership of the Portfolio in the hope of market recovery" [what recovery is needed?]
I get the impression that British Pearl as a platform wasn't getting traction, they wanted to wind it down, and potentially unfavourable market conditions were a convenient excuse. Even though inconveniently they turned out not to be unfavourable at all, so they're just having to style it out.
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Post by qwakuk on Mar 8, 2021 21:53:31 GMT
Had a quick look ay my documents and all quote a sale price of 83p a share
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Post by Ace on Mar 8, 2021 22:09:51 GMT
Had a quick look ay my documents and all quote a sale price of 83p a share I've got 4 at 83p and 1 at 89p. Having skim read the documents, I'm unclear of the consequences of not signing. I didn't notice any minimum percentage of votes needed for the sales to take place.
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Post by mrk on Mar 8, 2021 23:28:13 GMT
I get the impression that British Pearl as a platform wasn't getting traction, they wanted to wind it down, and potentially unfavourable market conditions were a convenient excuse.
What I find especially odd is that they raised some capital on Seedrs only 4 months before they decided to sell the portfolio.
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 9, 2021 7:11:28 GMT
I just did the same as the gentleman above...long time lurker but have created an account.
Trying to be as rational and pragmatic as possible; and to see both sides of any argument, but there are a few things here that do appear strange to me. To try and be efficacious I'll write them as a list. If I rehash anything someone has presented above, not trying to be contrary, but I'm writing this simply because I am interested in what the next course of action should be, either - accept offer, reject offer (and what are consequences), or pursue recourse (what choices). So not trying to bluster, but interested in the thoughts of the more experienced.
So here is what I find interesting: 1. The offer is being presented as a carte blanche share investor 'bailout': a). Much/most real estate has gone up in value in current market, including the fact there has been a stamp duty holiday to take advantage of for any first home buyer b). British Pearl's fascination in going for a 'portfolio' sale only when the properties themselves were broadly different, regions, locales, scope and in fact the anticipated return valuations and sale timelines were broadly different c). Many properties were presented with different investment return timelines, percentage return estimates; yet all these facts have been ignored in the risk return paradigm offered by the 'bailout' d). There are a tonne of investment opportunities out there now caused by the pandemic, yet BP has been static for about a year prior to the pandemic itself, and static since. They didn't add a property for maybe perhaps two years? (this is a guess). e). BP themselves indicate occupancy rates remained reasonably healthy, yet dividends have been mainly cannabalised f). The presentation of the bailout itself (mainly a flat rate 83p bar one) is that the individual risk of the properties themselves has not been reflected back to the investors - ie those who made a good choice are penalised, and investment expectation rates and timelines have been tossed out of the window
2. The bailout is from the company benefactor a). There may absolutely be an altruistic element to this and if purely in the spirit of 'protection shareholders' it should be commended, but what professional or family relationships are there, with other board members and employees are related to the benefactor or have personal interests b). The sale of the total portfolio is an admission that the 'total strategy' was wrong or; an opportunity to recalibrate strategy under the guise of 'pandemic'. For instance, tossing retail investors for institutional ones perhaps (hence keeping the company going) c). Blaming the pandemic solely is a bit rich given the market conditions.
Generally, BP were predicting a double digit annual capital return on one of their properties which was due to for sale in 23 months (roughly) prior to the pandemic (a return that was already approximately 2 years into aggregation), for it to now become a 17%/20% loss, just given the current market, beggars belief and constitutes a much grander value wipeout. And this 'bailout' rejects any of the upside coming out of the pandemic.
Anyway, my thoughts are that given that is presents as a wholesale change of strategy, the FCA should be submitting an advisory note here as to why, in their opinion, this constitutes a good result for shareholders from a company that operates under their practice mandate, rather than forcing shareholders to further consider legal means/review and to incur costs. A clear 'independent' voice here should be appreciated.
Is the FCA a politically affiliated body, or non-partisan, anyone know? I do ask as the benefactor is a conservative peer, and no, this does not constitute an allegation of impropriety. Simply, an independant assesment is incredibly valuable in times like this.
Best wishes to those who have incurred a hit, as I have. And also those that work at BP, stressful times. No malice intended but this is a strange one.
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Post by knotweed on Mar 9, 2021 8:38:11 GMT
Excellent post, and I agree completely.
It's easy to attribute malice and leap to uncharitable conclusions, but I can't come up with any explanation that leaves BP much credit. They appear to be exhibiting shockingly poor judgement as an investment manager, or using the situation as cover for something else.
I'd welcome a genuine explanation from BP. Their updates over recent months seem to have been ever more desperately casting around for bad market news to include to justify their decision.
Has anyone got to the bottom of whether it makes any difference if investors accept or abstain from accepting the offer?
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 9, 2021 9:03:30 GMT
I'd welcome a genuine explanation from BP. Their updates over recent months seem to have been ever more desperately casting around for bad market news to include to justify their decision. Has anyone got to the bottom of whether it makes any difference if investors accept or abstain from accepting the offer? Completely agree. BP are acting on our behalf, that's why they took our fees. It would be great if they would accept the chance to - - Provide a balanced view as to acceptance of offer, or rejecting offer outcomes to allow investors to make a choice, as opposed to inflicting the us versus them get your own legal advice. This is railroading. Keep your investors engaged! You do this well, then you keep support for future investment if this is genuine. - They should provide transparency on the numbers per property, particularly as their narrative was always "invest in individual properties". They should benchmark not only against the original investment costs but also against the anticipated dates/outcomes they projected on a per property basis.If BP have nothing to hide, then they have nothing to fear either. If Lord Fink has 'recused himself' and truly made an offer in shareholder interests, then he has nothing to fear either. All BP need to do is back up the value of the offer with communicating more explicit financial facts between anticipated return. We're not stupid. If this transparency supports the business case they'd have nothing to fear from me or most other sane people. If the FCA made a public statement, which I believe they absolutely should, again this is transparent. A portfolio firesale really points to other things which I don't want to think about. If a government bailout works as promised, if the economy comes back as promised, if the oft quoted median effect of households saving money during the pandemic is real, then we have already experienced the depression. What we're now doing is possibly forsaking upside across the whole portfolio?? I point to one fact. Kuflink, Crowdproperty, those guys are not getting defaults nor were getting defaults nor are forecasting many. Yes, different model, but the net outcome is the same. It's all based on property valuation. Again this is in the spirit of making the best decision. Anyone with experience please contribute. I'll be the first to congratulate BP if they're really making the best decision for us, but we're in the dark here.
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Post by qwakuk on Mar 10, 2021 13:29:27 GMT
Thank you for your email.
It is of course your right not to accept the offer.
I should inform you that the majority of investors have already accepted the offer, and the sale will proceed with a completion date target of 31 March 2021.
Many thanks,
The British Pearl Team
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 09:00, <> wrote:
What are the options if I do not accept the offer.
Is there a minimum threshold that has to be reached before the sale is final, ie 50% or 75% of shareholders for instance ?
My answer from Customercare in case anyone is interested
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Post by honeybadger on Mar 10, 2021 18:51:37 GMT
Thank you for your email. It is of course your right not to accept the offer. I should inform you that the majority of investors have already accepted the offer, and the sale will proceed with a completion date target of 31 March 2021. Many thanks, The British Pearl Team
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 09:00, <> wrote:
What are the options if I do not accept the offer.
Is there a minimum threshold that has to be reached before the sale is final, ie 50% or 75% of shareholders for instance ?
My answer from Customercare in case anyone is interested So they ignored both questions, and then volunteered information you didn't ask for. It sure feels like BP are simply done with retail investors and are hoping to scrub the record. It definitely does not feel like being 12 months away from a property sale with cumulative 11% cap gain per annum thats for sure 😂 If anyone's taking anything further I'd be interested to hear the basis, but I don't have enough money involved to drive the car. Is the general mood to sign and get it over and done with?
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Post by baseline on Mar 10, 2021 18:54:01 GMT
Is there a minimum threshold that has to be reached before the sale is final, ie 50% or 75% of shareholders for instance ? My answer from Customercare in case anyone is interested I'm interested - thanks qwakuk! Would've been even more interesting if BP had actually answered your question... Edit: crossed with honeybadger
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Post by Ace on Mar 10, 2021 19:15:20 GMT
Thank you for your email. It is of course your right not to accept the offer. I should inform you that the majority of investors have already accepted the offer, and the sale will proceed with a completion date target of 31 March 2021. Many thanks, The British Pearl Team
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 09:00, <> wrote:
What are the options if I do not accept the offer.
Is there a minimum threshold that has to be reached before the sale is final, ie 50% or 75% of shareholders for instance ?
My answer from Customercare in case anyone is interested So they ignored both questions, and then volunteered information you didn't ask for. It sure feels like BP are simply done with retail investors and are hoping to scrub the record. It definitely does not feel like being 12 months away from a property sale with cumulative 11% cap gain per annum thats for sure 😂 If anyone's taking anything further I'd be interested to hear the basis, but I don't have enough money involved to drive the car. Is the general mood to sign and get it over and done with?I'm abstaining because I don't agree with selling at this time. However, according to the non-answer given above, it's irrelevant as the sale is going ahead anyway.
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Post by elliotn on Mar 13, 2021 13:00:14 GMT
So they ignored both questions, and then volunteered information you didn't ask for. It sure feels like BP are simply done with retail investors and are hoping to scrub the record. It definitely does not feel like being 12 months away from a property sale with cumulative 11% cap gain per annum thats for sure 😂 If anyone's taking anything further I'd be interested to hear the basis, but I don't have enough money involved to drive the car. Is the general mood to sign and get it over and done with?I'm abstaining because I don't agree with selling at this time. However, according to the non-answer given above, it's irrelevant as the sale is going ahead anyway. I got the same answer along with this charming nugget: "The properties are being sold on average at a 17% loss, so there is no point discussing a hypothetical scenario of a 40% loss". I sent my email v quickly so was surprised a majority had already agreed, were we the only shareholders? I've replied asking will abstentions automatically be included in the distribution after compulsory acquisition, will confirm here.
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Post by elliotn on Mar 14, 2021 5:26:24 GMT
Quick, weekend reply from BP, abstaining does not prejudice your share of the sales’ distributions, perhaps more of an ass/liability covering, legal exercise (I’ve done all other crowd property sales via platform votes).
Me: Will Shareholders whose shares are compulsorily acquired automatically be included in any distribution to British Pearl accounts alongside Share Investors that directly sign to accept the Acceptance Offer.
BP: Yes, all Share Investors will be included in the distribution even if they did not accept the offer.
I would have considered a 20% equity loss (17% haircut + one year’s ~3% rent withheld in spv’s) a really good result in administration.
But they completely ballsed up their sale’s thesis - even justifying the continued sale last year to their owner because of the 2nd lockdown despite a world beating vaccine rollout, clear reopening roadmap and robust property market this year as he drew up their extensive legal docs - and Lord Xxxk is presumably not short of a pretty penny and now has the chance to recoup some of his cumulative platform losses from further improvement in the future performance of our properties.
I’ll be taking my losses but this has been a complete waste of 3 years of capital and a wholly unsatisfactory way for the platform to rid themselves of their loss making model.
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Post by kpo on Mar 14, 2021 8:14:52 GMT
Quick, weekend reply from BP, abstaining does not prejudice your share of the sales’ distributions, perhaps more of an ass/liability covering, legal exercise (I’ve done all other crowd property sales via platform votes).
Me: Will Shareholders whose shares are compulsorily acquired automatically be included in any distribution to British Pearl accounts alongside Share Investors that directly sign to accept the Acceptance Offer.BP: Yes, all Share Investors will be included in the distribution even if they did not accept the offer.I would have considered a 20% equity loss (17% haircut + one year’s ~3% rent withheld in spv’s) a really good result in administration. But they completely ballsed up their sale’s thesis - even justifying the continued sale last year to their owner because of the 2nd lockdown despite a world beating vaccine rollout, clear reopening roadmap and robust property market this year as he drew up their extensive legal docs - and Lord Xxxk is presumably not short of a pretty penny and now has the chance to recoup some of his cumulative platform losses from further improvement in the future performance of our properties. I’ll be taking my losses but this has been a complete waste of 3 years of capital and a wholly unsatisfactory way for the platform to rid themselves of their loss making model. I agree with this. I accepted the offer, just in case, to ensure I got the distribution on completion. I had had some hopes for SPV-equity type platforms as a way of generating income from property without going down the direct landlord route. But my experiences so far with PP and BP have disillusioned me and I won’t touch anything like this again.
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