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Post by bg on Feb 25, 2019 19:20:31 GMT
Loan # | Events | Last P | First L | Next P | Amount | LTV | Rate | Term | Available | Discounted | Best Rate | Drew | 944 | | | | | 116,215 | 49 | 6 | 15 of 15 | 40,112 | 40,761 | -1.5 | 25-Feb-19 | 945 | | | | 22-Mar-19 | 206,656 | 63.9 | 7 | 15 of 15 | 79,937 | 6,703 | -1 | 22-Feb-19 | 938 | | | | 22-Mar-19 | 2,768,031 | 69.7 | 8 | 12 of 12 | 821,979 | 185,404 | -1 | 19-Feb-19 | 939 | | | | 19-Mar-19 | 245,000 | 26.3 | 6 | 60 of 60 | 94,653 | 47,194 | -1.5 | 19-Feb-19 | 942 | | | | 19-Mar-19 | 155,959 | 64.9 | 6.5 | 14 of 14 | 101,835 | 6,390 | -1 | 19-Feb-19 | 941 | | | | 19-Mar-19 | 493,827 | 61.7 | 6.5 | 12 of 12 | 274,013 | 101 | -1 | 19-Feb-19 | 935 | | | | 18-Mar-19 | 438,000 | 54.8 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 277,802 | 54,653 | -3 | 18-Feb-19 | 932 | | | | 13-Mar-19 | 430,000 | 64.7 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 259,406 | 53,671 | -2.5 | 13-Feb-19 | 930 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 228,750 | 75 | 5.5 | 60 of 60 | 166,392 | 21,971 | -2 | 12-Feb-19 | 933 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 140,000 | 60.3 | 5.5 | 24 of 24 | 114,205 | 22,395 | -1.5 | 12-Feb-19 | 934 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 750,000 | 56.8 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 546,059 | 97,456 | -3 | 12-Feb-19 | 931 | | | | 11-Mar-19 | 1,800,000 | 58.3 | 7 | 60 of 60 | 788,424 | 195,561 | -1.5 | 11-Feb-19 | 914 | | | | 24-Feb-19 | 1,133,000 | 47.2 | 5.5 | 36 of 36 | 520,002 | 103,531 | -1.5 | 24-Jan-19 | 864 | | 15-Feb-19 | | 18-Mar-19 | 1,240,501 | 65.9 | 8 | 16 of 18 | 419,932 | 31,645 | -1 | 16-Nov-18 | 848 | | 25-Jan-19 | | 25-Feb-19 | 3,751,134 | 67 | 10 | 11 of 15 | 642,364 | 395,040 | -1 | 25-Oct-18 | 833 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 12-Mar-19 | 811,558 | 68.5 | 8 | 8 of 12 | 257,672 | 2,241 | -1 | 9-Oct-18 | 830 | | 01-Feb-19 | | 01-Mar-19 | 650,000 | 57 | 7.5 | 14 of 18 | 278,975 | 27,709 | -1 | 1-Oct-18 | 832 | M | 28-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 682,500 | 65 | 5.5 | 20 of 24 | 1,716 | 430 | -1 | 28-Sep-18 | 831 | | 29-Jan-19 | | 01-Mar-19 | 966,123 | 63.1 | 7.5 | 14 of 19 | 470,005 | 84,653 | -1 | 28-Sep-18 | 828 | | 26-Jan-19 | | 26-Feb-19 | 1,544,009 | 64 | 8 | 16 of 21 | 506,823 | 167,589 | -1 | 25-Sep-18 | 816 | M | 30-Jan-19 | | 02-Mar-19 | 2,917,668 | 59 | 9 | 10 of 15 | 77,793 | 2,837 | -1 | 31-Aug-18 | 788 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 300,000 | 69.1 | 6 | 54 of 60 | 256,706 | 2,562 | -1 | 30-Jul-18 | 766 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 09-Mar-19 | 255,000 | 70.8 | 7 | 53 of 60 | 134,532 | 61,469 | -1 | 9-Jul-18 | 768 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 09-Mar-19 | 715,000 | 55 | 6.5 | 53 of 60 | 443,382 | 158,794 | -1 | 9-Jul-18 | 758 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 02-Mar-19 | 3,007,449 | 68.6 | 8 | 8 of 16 | 651,571 | 43,092 | -1 | 29-Jun-18 | 755 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 01-Mar-19 | 778,799 | 63.1 | 6 | 8 of 15 | 101,176 | 19,082 | -2 | 28-Jun-18 | 753 | | 26-Jan-19 | | 26-Feb-19 | 3,283,244 | 71.7 | 8 | 3 of 11 | 523,431 | 140,196 | -1 | 25-Jun-18 | 735 | | 31-Jan-19 | | 03-Mar-19 | 5,990,209 | 65 | 8 | 8 of 16 | 153,589 | 5,000 | -1 | 30-May-18 | 730 | | 14-Feb-19 | | 16-Mar-19 | 1,008,629 | 68.2 | 7 | 15 of 24 | 548,105 | 1,193 | -1 | 14-May-18 | 723 | M | 04-Feb-19 | | 04-Mar-19 | 210,000 | 42.9 | 6 | 51 of 60 | 8,177 | 130 | -1 | 4-May-18 | 677 | M | 27-Jan-19 | | 27-Feb-19 | 238,000 | 70 | 7 | 50 of 60 | 2,981 | 339 | -1 | 27-Mar-18 | 669 | | 14-Feb-19 | | 17-Mar-19 | 1,301,032 | 68.1 | 8 | 8 of 20 | 240,306 | 2,500 | -1 | 15-Mar-18 | 665 | | 14-Feb-19 | | 14-Mar-19 | 362,500 | 50 | 6 | 2 of 13 | 1,964 | 41 | -1 | 14-Mar-18 | 621 | | 23-Jan-19 | | 23-Mar-19 | 500,000 | 58.1 | 5 | 48 of 60 | 84,715 | 253 | -1 | 23-Feb-18 | 613 | ML | 01-Jan-19 | 01-Feb-19 | | 579,749 | 66.5 | 7 | 1 of 13 | 7,315 | 27 | -1 | 1-Feb-18 | 606 | | 29-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 182,000 | 69.3 | 6 | 48 of 60 | 57,691 | 72 | -1 | 29-Jan-18 | 591 | M | 21-Feb-19 | | 21-Mar-19 | 600,000 | 60 | 7.5 | 10 of 24 | 28,695 | 1,008 | -1 | 21-Dec-17 | 587 | ML | 20-Jan-19 | 20-Feb-19 | 20-Mar-19 | 370,000 | 69.8 | 7.5 | 16 of 30 | 22,912 | 758 | -1 | 20-Dec-17 | 578 | M | 24-Jan-19 | | | 1,019,054 | 57 | 7 | 1 of 16 | 127,523 | 141 | -1 | 22-Nov-17 | 574 | | 10-Feb-19 | | 13-Mar-19 | 7,499,460 | 62.5 | 6.3 | 9 of 24 | 1,189,315 | 3 | -1 | 10-Nov-17 | 573 | M | 10-Feb-19 | | 10-Mar-19 | 225,000 | 52 | 7 | 45 of 60 | 21,560 | 1,275 | -1 | 10-Nov-17 |
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Post by bg on Feb 27, 2019 13:11:41 GMT
£2k of #935 now for sale at 4% discount. Loan # | Events | Last P | First L | Next P | Amount | LTV | Rate | Term | Available | Discounted | Best Rate | Drew | 944 | | | | 25-Mar-19 | 116,215 | 49 | 6 | 15 of 15 | 37,509 | 20,551 | -1.5 | 25-Feb-19 | 938 | | | | 22-Mar-19 | 2,768,031 | 69.7 | 8 | 12 of 12 | 803,290 | 174,888 | -1.5 | 19-Feb-19 | 939 | | | | 19-Mar-19 | 245,000 | 26.3 | 6 | 60 of 60 | 92,569 | 45,078 | -2 | 19-Feb-19 | 942 | | | | 19-Mar-19 | 155,959 | 64.9 | 6.5 | 14 of 14 | 101,216 | 5,110 | -1 | 19-Feb-19 | 935 | | | | 18-Mar-19 | 438,000 | 54.8 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 277,706 | 53,265 | -4 | 18-Feb-19 | 932 | | | | 13-Mar-19 | 430,000 | 64.7 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 259,342 | 53,534 | -2.5 | 13-Feb-19 | 930 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 228,750 | 75 | 5.5 | 60 of 60 | 166,282 | 21,753 | -2 | 12-Feb-19 | 933 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 140,000 | 60.3 | 5.5 | 24 of 24 | 114,171 | 22,270 | -1.5 | 12-Feb-19 | 934 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 750,000 | 56.8 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 557,269 | 107,252 | -3 | 12-Feb-19 | 931 | | | | 11-Mar-19 | 1,800,000 | 58.3 | 7 | 60 of 60 | 792,058 | 186,129 | -1.5 | 11-Feb-19 | 914 | | | | 24-Mar-19 | 1,133,000 | 47.2 | 5.5 | 36 of 36 | 519,864 | 101,359 | -2 | 24-Jan-19 | 864 | | 15-Feb-19 | | 18-Mar-19 | 1,240,501 | 65.9 | 8 | 16 of 18 | 420,898 | 29,224 | -1 | 16-Nov-18 | 859 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 12-Mar-19 | 1,150,552 | 63.1 | 8 | 15 of 19 | 57,941 | 4,888 | -1 | 9-Nov-18 | 848 | | 25-Feb-19 | | 27-Mar-19 | 3,751,134 | 67 | 10 | 11 of 15 | 704,014 | 383,941 | -1 | 25-Oct-18 | 833 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 12-Mar-19 | 811,558 | 68.5 | 8 | 8 of 12 | 243,533 | 20,602 | -1 | 9-Oct-18 | 830 | | 01-Feb-19 | | 01-Mar-19 | 650,000 | 57 | 7.5 | 14 of 18 | 278,279 | 10,419 | -1 | 1-Oct-18 | 832 | M | 28-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 682,500 | 65 | 5.5 | 20 of 24 | 1,716 | 430 | -1 | 28-Sep-18 | 831 | | 29-Jan-19 | | 01-Mar-19 | 966,123 | 63.1 | 7.5 | 14 of 19 | 468,597 | 82,230 | -1 | 28-Sep-18 | 828 | | 26-Feb-19 | | 26-Feb-19 | 1,544,009 | 64 | 8 | 16 of 21 | 499,277 | 159,197 | -1 | 25-Sep-18 | 816 | M | 30-Jan-19 | | 02-Mar-19 | 2,917,668 | 59 | 9 | 10 of 15 | 88,438 | 1,656 | -1 | 31-Aug-18 | 788 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 300,000 | 69.1 | 6 | 54 of 60 | 256,706 | 2,562 | -1 | 30-Jul-18 | 774 | | 12-Feb-19 | | 15-Mar-19 | 1,067,867 | 69 | 7 | 11 of 18 | 162,483 | 977 | -1 | 13-Jul-18 | 766 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 09-Mar-19 | 255,000 | 70.8 | 7 | 53 of 60 | 134,437 | 61,397 | -1 | 9-Jul-18 | 768 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 09-Mar-19 | 715,000 | 55 | 6.5 | 53 of 60 | 443,218 | 154,631 | -1 | 9-Jul-18 | 758 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 02-Mar-19 | 3,007,449 | 68.6 | 8 | 8 of 16 | 646,315 | 38,547 | -1 | 29-Jun-18 | 755 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 778,799 | 63.1 | 6 | 8 of 15 | 108,176 | 18,557 | -2 | 28-Jun-18 | 753 | | 26-Jan-19 | | 26-Feb-19 | 3,283,244 | 71.7 | 8 | 3 of 11 | 525,149 | 139,147 | -1 | 25-Jun-18 | 730 | | 14-Feb-19 | | 16-Mar-19 | 1,008,629 | 68.2 | 7 | 15 of 24 | 548,099 | 1,181 | -1 | 14-May-18 | 723 | M | 04-Feb-19 | | 04-Mar-19 | 210,000 | 42.9 | 6 | 51 of 60 | 8,361 | 1,104 | -1 | 4-May-18 | 677 | M | 27-Jan-19 | | 27-Feb-19 | 238,000 | 70 | 7 | 50 of 60 | 2,558 | 188 | -1 | 27-Mar-18 | 621 | M | 23-Feb-19 | | 23-Mar-19 | 500,000 | 58.1 | 5 | 48 of 60 | 1,966 | 152 | -1 | 23-Feb-18 | 613 | ML | 01-Jan-19 | 01-Feb-19 | | 579,749 | 66.5 | 7 | 1 of 13 | 7,620 | 5 | -1 | 1-Feb-18 | 606 | | 29-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 182,000 | 69.3 | 6 | 48 of 60 | 57,514 | 72 | -1 | 29-Jan-18 | 587 | M | 20-Feb-19 | | 20-Mar-19 | 370,000 | 69.8 | 7.5 | 16 of 30 | 23,295 | 758 | -1 | 20-Dec-17 | 573 | M | 10-Feb-19 | | 10-Mar-19 | 225,000 | 52 | 7 | 45 of 60 | 22,052 | 886 | -1 | 10-Nov-17 | 539 | | 15-Feb-19 | | 15-Mar-19 | 238,000 | 72.2 | 5.5 | 43 of 60 | 21,844 | 257 | -1 | 15-Sep-17 | 301 | M | 13-Feb-19 | | 13-Mar-19 | 300,000 | 61.9 | 6.5 | 5 of 36 | 37,234 | 269 | -1 | 13-Jul-16 |
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Post by victors on Feb 27, 2019 13:46:19 GMT
Blimey 4% seems too good to miss.
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Post by bg on Feb 27, 2019 14:07:09 GMT
Blimey 4% seems too good to miss. The loan pays just 5%, which I believe means 5.21% (5%*100/96) when purchased with a 4% discount. I'd rather put money in the 90DAA with a provision fund. Depends on your view of the risks. If you invest in an individual loan you know what you are invested in, you have the risk of that loan alone. If you like the loan and think the security is very strong then great. You also have the opportunity to try and sell at a lower discount/par in the future which boosts the ARR significantly. You also have liquidity...if you need the cash you can discount accordingly to make sure you get out. In the 90DAA you have to wait for 90 days. In the 90DAA you also run the risk of getting lumbered with a loan that is in trouble. Depends how you see the risks. Personally I prefer to invest in individual loans and do not touch the 30DAA or 90DAA....but it's horses for courses. I'm not keen on black box investing.
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Post by bg on Feb 27, 2019 14:12:36 GMT
Blimey 4% seems too good to miss. The loan pays just 5%, which I believe means 5.21% (5%*100/96) when purchased with a 4% discount. I'd rather put money in the 90DAA with a provision fund. Also, I don't think your return is right. You also get the benefit of paying 96 up front but receiving 100 in 5 years time so the XIRR is around 6% which beats the 90DAA. That gain is also tax free so for tax payers is an enhanced return.
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Post by cb25 on Feb 27, 2019 14:21:23 GMT
The loan pays just 5%, which I believe means 5.21% (5%*100/96) when purchased with a 4% discount. I'd rather put money in the 90DAA with a provision fund. Also, I don't think your return is right. You also get the benefit of paying 96 up front but receiving 100 in 5 years time so the XIRR is around 6% which beats the 90DAA. That gain is also tax free so for tax payers is an enhanced return. Accepted. Post has been deleted.
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Post by dan1 on Feb 27, 2019 16:20:46 GMT
The loan pays just 5%, which I believe means 5.21% (5%*100/96) when purchased with a 4% discount. I'd rather put money in the 90DAA with a provision fund. Also, I don't think your return is right. You also get the benefit of paying 96 up front but receiving 100 in 5 years time so the XIRR is around 6% which beats the 90DAA. That gain is also tax free so for tax payers is an enhanced return. FWIW if you want to calculate the return yourself then you could try the following... The compound return assuming reinvestment of interest: FV = P(1 + r/n)^(nt) where, FV is the future value including interest P is the principal r is the annual rate n is the number of payments per year t is the number of years interest is paid for and the effective annual rate is: effective = (FV/PV)^(1/t) - 1 where, effective is the effective annual rate PV is the present value (or cost) of the principal With P = £100, PV = £96 (i.e. 4% discount), r = 5%, n = 12, t = 5 then FV = £128.34 and effective = 5.98% I've done this from memory so apologies if there are errors and as always please DYOR Edit: a single formula solution: effective = [(1+r/n)^(nt) / (1-d)]^(1/t) - 1 where, effective is the effective annual rate r is the annual rate, % n is the number of payments per year t is the number of years interest is paid for d is the discount on the principal, %
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Post by df on Feb 27, 2019 17:12:15 GMT
£2k of #935 now for sale at 4% discount. Loan # | Events | Last P | First L | Next P | Amount | LTV | Rate | Term | Available | Discounted | Best Rate | Drew | 944 | | | | 25-Mar-19 | 116,215 | 49 | 6 | 15 of 15 | 37,509 | 20,551 | -1.5 | 25-Feb-19 | 938 | | | | 22-Mar-19 | 2,768,031 | 69.7 | 8 | 12 of 12 | 803,290 | 174,888 | -1.5 | 19-Feb-19 | 939 | | | | 19-Mar-19 | 245,000 | 26.3 | 6 | 60 of 60 | 92,569 | 45,078 | -2 | 19-Feb-19 | 942 | | | | 19-Mar-19 | 155,959 | 64.9 | 6.5 | 14 of 14 | 101,216 | 5,110 | -1 | 19-Feb-19 | 935 | | | | 18-Mar-19 | 438,000 | 54.8 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 277,706 | 53,265 | -4 | 18-Feb-19 | 932 | | | | 13-Mar-19 | 430,000 | 64.7 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 259,342 | 53,534 | -2.5 | 13-Feb-19 | 930 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 228,750 | 75 | 5.5 | 60 of 60 | 166,282 | 21,753 | -2 | 12-Feb-19 | 933 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 140,000 | 60.3 | 5.5 | 24 of 24 | 114,171 | 22,270 | -1.5 | 12-Feb-19 | 934 | | | | 12-Mar-19 | 750,000 | 56.8 | 5 | 60 of 60 | 557,269 | 107,252 | -3 | 12-Feb-19 | 931 | | | | 11-Mar-19 | 1,800,000 | 58.3 | 7 | 60 of 60 | 792,058 | 186,129 | -1.5 | 11-Feb-19 | 914 | | | | 24-Mar-19 | 1,133,000 | 47.2 | 5.5 | 36 of 36 | 519,864 | 101,359 | -2 | 24-Jan-19 | 864 | | 15-Feb-19 | | 18-Mar-19 | 1,240,501 | 65.9 | 8 | 16 of 18 | 420,898 | 29,224 | -1 | 16-Nov-18 | 859 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 12-Mar-19 | 1,150,552 | 63.1 | 8 | 15 of 19 | 57,941 | 4,888 | -1 | 9-Nov-18 | 848 | | 25-Feb-19 | | 27-Mar-19 | 3,751,134 | 67 | 10 | 11 of 15 | 704,014 | 383,941 | -1 | 25-Oct-18 | 833 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 12-Mar-19 | 811,558 | 68.5 | 8 | 8 of 12 | 243,533 | 20,602 | -1 | 9-Oct-18 | 830 | | 01-Feb-19 | | 01-Mar-19 | 650,000 | 57 | 7.5 | 14 of 18 | 278,279 | 10,419 | -1 | 1-Oct-18 | 832 | M | 28-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 682,500 | 65 | 5.5 | 20 of 24 | 1,716 | 430 | -1 | 28-Sep-18 | 831 | | 29-Jan-19 | | 01-Mar-19 | 966,123 | 63.1 | 7.5 | 14 of 19 | 468,597 | 82,230 | -1 | 28-Sep-18 | 828 | | 26-Feb-19 | | 26-Feb-19 | 1,544,009 | 64 | 8 | 16 of 21 | 499,277 | 159,197 | -1 | 25-Sep-18 | 816 | M | 30-Jan-19 | | 02-Mar-19 | 2,917,668 | 59 | 9 | 10 of 15 | 88,438 | 1,656 | -1 | 31-Aug-18 | 788 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 300,000 | 69.1 | 6 | 54 of 60 | 256,706 | 2,562 | -1 | 30-Jul-18 | 774 | | 12-Feb-19 | | 15-Mar-19 | 1,067,867 | 69 | 7 | 11 of 18 | 162,483 | 977 | -1 | 13-Jul-18 | 766 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 09-Mar-19 | 255,000 | 70.8 | 7 | 53 of 60 | 134,437 | 61,397 | -1 | 9-Jul-18 | 768 | | 09-Feb-19 | | 09-Mar-19 | 715,000 | 55 | 6.5 | 53 of 60 | 443,218 | 154,631 | -1 | 9-Jul-18 | 758 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 02-Mar-19 | 3,007,449 | 68.6 | 8 | 8 of 16 | 646,315 | 38,547 | -1 | 29-Jun-18 | 755 | | 30-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 778,799 | 63.1 | 6 | 8 of 15 | 108,176 | 18,557 | -2 | 28-Jun-18 | 753 | | 26-Jan-19 | | 26-Feb-19 | 3,283,244 | 71.7 | 8 | 3 of 11 | 525,149 | 139,147 | -1 | 25-Jun-18 | 730 | | 14-Feb-19 | | 16-Mar-19 | 1,008,629 | 68.2 | 7 | 15 of 24 | 548,099 | 1,181 | -1 | 14-May-18 | 723 | M | 04-Feb-19 | | 04-Mar-19 | 210,000 | 42.9 | 6 | 51 of 60 | 8,361 | 1,104 | -1 | 4-May-18 | 677 | M | 27-Jan-19 | | 27-Feb-19 | 238,000 | 70 | 7 | 50 of 60 | 2,558 | 188 | -1 | 27-Mar-18 | 621 | M | 23-Feb-19 | | 23-Mar-19 | 500,000 | 58.1 | 5 | 48 of 60 | 1,966 | 152 | -1 | 23-Feb-18 | 613 | ML | 01-Jan-19 | 01-Feb-19 | | 579,749 | 66.5 | 7 | 1 of 13 | 7,620 | 5 | -1 | 1-Feb-18 | 606 | | 29-Jan-19 | | 28-Feb-19 | 182,000 | 69.3 | 6 | 48 of 60 | 57,514 | 72 | -1 | 29-Jan-18 | 587 | M | 20-Feb-19 | | 20-Mar-19 | 370,000 | 69.8 | 7.5 | 16 of 30 | 23,295 | 758 | -1 | 20-Dec-17 | 573 | M | 10-Feb-19 | | 10-Mar-19 | 225,000 | 52 | 7 | 45 of 60 | 22,052 | 886 | -1 | 10-Nov-17 | 539 | | 15-Feb-19 | | 15-Mar-19 | 238,000 | 72.2 | 5.5 | 43 of 60 | 21,844 | 257 | -1 | 15-Sep-17 | 301 | M | 13-Feb-19 | | 13-Mar-19 | 300,000 | 61.9 | 6.5 | 5 of 36 | 37,234 | 269 | -1 | 13-Jul-16 |
Significantly larger list than you've posted in September. 11 of them didn't even reach the first repayment date. I guess it is underwriters trying to offload their "burden" and for the rest, investors are trying to exit MLA??? I took some advantage of these discounts, but in future I think I will be relocating my MLA returns to 30/90day and probably generally reducing my AC allocation. Growing discounts and continuous promotional offers make me a bit nervous.
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Post by bg on Feb 27, 2019 18:05:57 GMT
Significantly larger list than you've posted in September. 11 of them didn't even reach the first repayment date. I guess it is underwriters trying to offload their "burden" and for the rest, investors are trying to exit MLA??? I took some advantage of these discounts, but in future I think I will be relocating my MLA returns to 30/90day and probably generally reducing my AC allocation. Growing discounts and continuous promotional offers make me a bit nervous. Yeah but it's just the swings in supply and demand. It's the nature of P2P, they don't have a banking licence so they can't 'print' money so it's very hard for them to exactly match demand with supply. Yes the loans that are in the first month are just underwriters offloading. It's not a huge amount of money and most of it is discounted at 1% (the 3% and 4% discounts are tiny size). It's driven by a large amount of supply which isn't matched by the equivalent demand. Go back a month and it was the other way round. The Xmas break means there is a dearth of loans and then typically you get a wave of loans all coming at once (is the same after the summer break). I expect demand will pick up as we move into March and people start taking advantage of their ISA allowance and the situation may well reverse. I wouldn't get nervous about the promotional offers. It's just a way to grow demand. They are paying a sum of money to increase money into the platform. They could ditch the offers and spend the same money on advertising (as the likes of FC, Wellesley etc have done) but it's much better for lenders that the money gets paid direct to them in my view. I invest in the loans that I think are strong so it doesn't worry me in the slightest...in fact I have added significant funds in the past few weeks to take advantage.
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Post by figtree on Feb 27, 2019 19:48:16 GMT
Also, I don't think your return is right. You also get the benefit of paying 96 up front but receiving 100 in 5 years time so the XIRR is around 6% which beats the 90DAA. That gain is also tax free so for tax payers is an enhanced return. FWIW if you want to calculate the return yourself then you could try the following... The compound return assuming reinvestment of interest: FV = P(1 + r/n)^(nt) where, FV is the future value including interest P is the principal r is the annual rate n is the number of payments per year t is the number of years interest is paid for and the effective annual rate is: effective = (FV/PV)^(1/t) - 1 where, effective is the effective annual rate PV is the present value (or cost) of the principal With P = £100, PV = £96 (i.e. 4% discount), r = 5%, n = 12, t = 5 then FV = £128.34 and effective = 5.98% I've done this from memory so apologies if there are errors and as always please DYOR Edit: a single formula solution: effective = [(1+r/n)^(nt) / (1-d)]^(1/t) - 1 where, effective is the effective annual rate r is the annual rate, % n is the number of payments per year t is the number of years interest is paid for d is the discount on the principal, % High value post, good work but for what it’s worth, I think the return is a little better: 1) this is a principal repayment loan after the first year. You get a small amount of your 4% discount realised sooner than 5 years. 2) the assumption here seems to be that you can get better than 5% - should probably factor in reinvesting at a higher rate, rather than in this loan (or, in this loan at a discount) Although that then adds an extra layer of assumptions to the calculation which is personal preference, not maths.
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Post by df on Feb 27, 2019 19:54:34 GMT
Significantly larger list than you've posted in September. 11 of them didn't even reach the first repayment date. I guess it is underwriters trying to offload their "burden" and for the rest, investors are trying to exit MLA??? I took some advantage of these discounts, but in future I think I will be relocating my MLA returns to 30/90day and probably generally reducing my AC allocation. Growing discounts and continuous promotional offers make me a bit nervous. Yeah but it's just the swings in supply and demand. It's the nature of P2P, they don't have a banking licence so they can't 'print' money so it's very hard for them to exactly match demand with supply. Yes the loans that are in the first month are just underwriters offloading. It's not a huge amount of money and most of it is discounted at 1% (the 3% and 4% discounts are tiny size). It's driven by a large amount of supply which isn't matched by the equivalent demand. Go back a month and it was the other way round. The Xmas break means there is a dearth of loans and then typically you get a wave of loans all coming at once (is the same after the summer break). I expect demand will pick up as we move into March and people start taking advantage of their ISA allowance and the situation may well reverse. I wouldn't get nervous about the promotional offers. It's just a way to grow demand. They are paying a sum of money to increase money into the platform. They could ditch the offers and spend the same money on advertising (as the likes of FC, Wellesley etc have done) but it's much better for lenders that the money gets paid direct to them in my view. I invest in the loans that I think are strong so it doesn't worry me in the slightest...in fact I have added significant funds in the past few weeks to take advantage. Sounds very positive I suspect one the issues is that 5-7% loans are not popular with MLA investors (particularly at a lower end). I personally don't see any point investing in 5% loan (even if it sounds strong) when I can put the same amount in 30day and get my 5.1% on the 1st of each month (with the benefit of PF and without worrying about the progress of each loan). Also considering other offers on p2p market, anything below 7% without PF coverage doesn't sound attractive to me. I agree on "advertising" - "promotional offers" is much better use of money.
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Post by figtree on Feb 27, 2019 21:48:41 GMT
The big problem for me is that every P2P loan carries certain risks above and beyond, say a bank 5yr savings bond. The obvious is borrower default risk. But there’s also platform default risk, platform operational risk (e.g. getting hacked) and fraud risk (borrower provides false documentation, AC doesn’t pick it up despite their v good DD)
No offense to AC, who I’ve been very happy with, but all of these things are risks with any P2P platform.
At 5%, are those risks covered? Even if the security was cast iron or you were 100% sure on the borrower...?
Anyway. That’s my problem with these <6% loans
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Post by df on Feb 27, 2019 22:12:48 GMT
The big problem for me is that every P2P loan carries certain risks above and beyond, say a bank 5yr savings bond. The obvious is borrower default risk. But there’s also platform default risk, platform operational risk (e.g. getting hacked) and fraud risk (borrower provides false documentation, AC doesn’t pick it up despite their v good DD) No offense to AC, who I’ve been very happy with, but all of these things are risks with any P2P platform. At 5%, are those risks covered? Even if the security was cast iron or you were 100% sure on the borrower...? Anyway. That’s my problem with these <6% loans Out of self-select platforms/accounts I'm using, I can't think of any offering as little as AC.
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Post by figtree on Feb 27, 2019 22:18:57 GMT
Which other ones do you use with securitised loans?
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Post by df on Feb 27, 2019 22:33:00 GMT
Which other ones do you use with securitised loans? Out of self-select: Abl, MT, FS, HC, LC, Rebs. Waiting for some recoveries, if any, from Col and Ly.
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