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Post by dan1 on Oct 5, 2018 12:48:54 GMT
E-mail notification that Crowdstacker have enforced their security and appointed administrators. Concerns started when the subsidiary with cross guarantee Co****tr**k went into administration. Plan is to sell venues over time. Was this referring to the A*******c A*******s loan on Crowdstackers, as I have a small part of that and didn't receive an email? I recommend those holding A*******c A*******s go and take a look at CH - looks like Crowdstacker created 6 charges, one for each pub on 19 Sep 2018... I assume it's to protect their investors given the events at BN.
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Post by ding on Oct 7, 2018 9:58:08 GMT
I emailed Huddle about the CT loan: "As BN has administrators appointed how does it impact this loan?" Response: "The repayments on the loan remain up to date and the loan itself is secured against property so we expect payments to continue been made as they always have."
Next payment due the 10th.
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Post by sas100 on Jan 12, 2019 19:10:18 GMT
Anyone know anything about the BN loan with crowdstacker and the selling of the assets to another company that funded BN. All a bit worrying as I invested money in it. It's seems all security has went up in smoke
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 12, 2019 19:31:53 GMT
Anyone know anything about the b** n** loan with crowdstacker and the selling of the assets to another company that funded b*** n**.All a bit worrying as I invested money in it. It's seems all security has went up in smoke There's not a huge amount on here at the moment, and what is there is mostly locked away in DD central . According to the administrator's report it looks like Crowdstacker investors are on track to lose around 2/3 of their capital, not great I agree. What do you mean exactly by "selling of the assets to another company that funded b*** n***" ? Are you suggesting some malfeasance has taken place? PS: you need to asterix out the borrower name from your thread title and post, forum rules. (done)
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Post by sas100 on Jan 12, 2019 19:40:35 GMT
I don't know what has happened but it's not good.
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 12, 2019 20:07:46 GMT
I don't know what has happened but it's not good. Nope, it's not. But then, it was a huge, speculative, crowd-funded loan to a firm in a sector in persistent decline. Unless Crowdstacker mis-sold their investment in any way (?), then unfortunately there's probably not an awful lot to be done about it. I hope you didn't have too much in it and can learn lessons for the next round. So to speak. Edit: out of interest, did Crowdstacker make a specific claim as to how much their security was financially worth, and give an LTV? Or was it just "this is a great business, give us £7m"?
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Post by dan1 on Jan 12, 2019 20:21:53 GMT
sas100 - I'm not on Crowdstacker so I'm not sure what info they've provided but if you haven't already then search companies house for BN and download the Statement of administrator's proposal from the filing history. There was talk on DD Central of a complete write-off but the likes of hazellend or IFISAcava might be able to provide further info. Finally, there are related companies, either directly or indirectly, to BN Group who have loans on Huddle Capital and Ablrate, so it may be worth having a look on those boards.
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Post by sas100 on Jan 12, 2019 21:58:00 GMT
Yeah I put a good bit in it and now I will pay a high price plus I have money in a########ic ale###### you couldn't make it up.I have always used cash ISAs then had good returns in peer to peer then let my guard down. I always thought if it was secured on assets then I had a fall back
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 12, 2019 22:50:25 GMT
sas100 - I'm not on Crowdstacker so I'm not sure what info they've provided but if you haven't already then search companies house for BN and download the Statement of administrator's proposal from the filing history. There was talk on DD Central of a complete write-off but the likes of hazellend or IFISAcava might be able to provide further info. Finally, there are related companies, either directly or indirectly, to BN Group who have loans on Huddle Capital and Ablrate, so it may be worth having a look on those boards. I'm in the BN loans for a medium sum. Don't think I can share the info Crowdstacker have sent investors but a) there's a complex interrelationship between the various companies and b) it looks bad for much (if any) recovery in the BN loans on CS.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 12, 2019 23:01:14 GMT
Yeah I put a good bit in it and now I will pay a high price plus I have money in a########ic ale###### you couldn't make it up.I have always used cash ISAs then had good returns in peer to peer then let my guard down. I always thought if it was secured on assets then I had a fall back A********** Ale******* loan is still paying interest on time.
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Post by sas100 on Jan 12, 2019 23:13:16 GMT
Its all a big risk but authentic ######## accounts are also
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Post by sas100 on Jan 13, 2019 18:13:25 GMT
How did the guy work out crowdstacker investers could lose around 2/3s of investment.
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 13, 2019 18:42:27 GMT
How did the guy work out crowdstacker investers could lose around 2/3s of investment. Hi, I'm a series 6 cybernautic agent from the year 2087, not "the guy", but, we future-kind take a forgiving view of humanity so I'll answer your question. I refer you to the first table in Appendix 2 "statement of affairs" in the administrator's proposal for the group. The stated book value of BN's assets subject to fixed charge is £2.694m, and just under that there is crowdstacker's debt of £7.53m. Something like £2.5m of return on a something like £7.5m debt is where I'm getting 2/3 from. Now - a) I'm not an expert, in fact I'm a total amateur who had 20 minutes to spare inbetween some truly dreadful Polish Satellite television programming enforced upon me by having the flu at the moment. b) I'm not a crowdstacker investor and so not party to any additional sources of recovery. c) Even if entirely right, this is an estimate and so could go up or down for various reasons. d) Frankly, I've really not looked into it that much because a) + b) e) I was curious to know the answer, and the best way to elicit the real answer is to have a stab yourself so that someone who knows better can flaunt their superior knowledge on here in full glory. As nobody did, I can only assume that I'm permitted to flaunt myself, or perhaps everyone else had a better Saturday evening than I did. What have Crowdstacker communicated themselves to BN investors? .....Actually, I quite like 'the guy' now. It's growing on me. Edit: Looking again at the proposal - to be perfectly honest, I really would take my interpretation with a gigantic catering pack of salt. The BN group is complex, and there are debts between the subsidiaries and all sorts of financial bells and whistles. For now, I think the only view that I can have full faith in is that it is indeed looking 'bad'.
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Post by Ace on Jan 13, 2019 18:52:13 GMT
Wow, You' The Guy, r00lish67 . Care to have a stab at the related ABL loans while you're incapacitated? P.S. Get better soon.
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Post by sas100 on Jan 13, 2019 18:55:21 GMT
Ok thanks the guy lols I am sorry if a annoyed you. Thank you for explaining that for me
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