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Post by newlender on Oct 27, 2018 4:04:43 GMT
Just doing my weekly dig into my ISA CSV sheet and noticed an A* default. Quite a big one too, even though he/she was paying me just 2.34% (3.04% to Zopa). Has anyone else spotted many of these?
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Post by aju on Oct 27, 2018 8:00:31 GMT
9 x A 4 x A*
Not sure of their dates of default dates as on tablet will check my csv later when at pc have noticed though they are all presafeguard ones none are recent. This in invest side have isa ill check and mrs aju has both invest and isa to check.
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Post by ding on Oct 27, 2018 8:54:59 GMT
I only have one loan that £0.00 has been paid back and that is A*. Hope it is enjoying their car!
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Post by newlender on Oct 27, 2018 10:13:39 GMT
Well, I mentioned in another post somewhere that last year I stupidly sent £4k in one chunk to my Zopa ISA. Guess who now has a £35 A* default which isn't safeguarded . Why couldn't it have been the 23p loan? (Yes, I really do have one, which pays 0.013p monthly).
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Post by aju on Oct 27, 2018 11:13:01 GMT
Update on A* defaults
For me Invest Account as above A* on Pre-Safeguards so written off a long while ago not really relevant here.
ISA account 2 A* Both 2.34% ( one not paid anything since April 2018, the other since December 2017)
Curiously the comments for the 2nd one says "Customer has Sequestration" as of 15th October so perhaps that will start Paying soon who knows.
Edit Update: Not sure that the sequestration is in favour of my loan thought probably not!.
For Mrs Aju Invest account
0 A* (There is one in collections going bad hasn't paid anything since 31/7) ISA account
3 A* (2 of these are also in my ISA as well! the 3rd one hasn't paid anything since 6/6)
There is also one in collections that is marked up recently this month as "In Financial difficulties"
Not sure that helps much all are £10 loans though as a result of my strategy to only lend in £10 loans. That said sometimes I made a booboo and lent higher values for a short time.
HTH
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Post by cb25 on Oct 27, 2018 14:20:35 GMT
In my two Z+ accounts, I have
non-ISA - 214 defaulted loans: 3 A*, 3 A1, 7 A2, 13 B, 37 C1, 74 D, 77 E (total of 244 loans, a/c being run down, almost done) ISA - 88 defaulted loans: 3 A*, 2 A2, 9 B, 24 C1, 33 D, 17 E (total of 2491 loans)
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Post by aju on Oct 27, 2018 14:39:23 GMT
In my two Z+ accounts, I have
non-ISA - 214 defaulted loans: 3 A*, 3 A1, 7 A2, 13 B, 37 C1, 74 D, 77 E (total of 244 loans, a/c being run down, almost done) ISA - 88 defaulted loans: 3 A*, 2 A2, 9 B, 24 C1, 33 D, 17 E (total of 2491 loans)
That's some serious defaults, mind you I opted for a measured approach (my notion although many would say too cautious) and kept my Plus to splits at 10-20% depending on whether classic cover was a factor in our accounts. The problem I have with running things down is that you get less and less of the relend effect and ultimately leaves the account in bad loans but I understand the sentiments. Mind you I do have some concerning months and some less so. My main criteria is that as long as I up on the deal - more than the inflation by a couple of points if possible then I'm a happy person. That said there are no guarantees in any of this stuff. I am currently feeding my return in Invest across to ISA, for tax purposes mainly, and have noticed how the returns are pulled down more by the defaults that obviously cannot be moved. That said I usually try to write off all defaults in my mind and then ignore them moving forward. (I keep a view on the XIRR on a month on month basis as best I can and when its accurate and ignoring it when it way out of the park as can be the case when new lending is regular. In Excel 2007 any way.
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Post by cb25 on Oct 27, 2018 15:50:45 GMT
In my two Z+ accounts, I have
non-ISA - 214 defaulted loans: 3 A*, 3 A1, 7 A2, 13 B, 37 C1, 74 D, 77 E (total of 244 loans, a/c being run down, almost done) ISA - 88 defaulted loans: 3 A*, 2 A2, 9 B, 24 C1, 33 D, 17 E (total of 2491 loans)
So six A* defaults in total. It would be interesting to know this as a % of total A* loans. Mine is 0.5%. non-ISA: 4 A* in total, BUT this account is in run-down, so 3 defaults out of 4 isn't going to be representative ISA: 846 A* in total, hence about 0.35%
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Post by cb25 on Oct 27, 2018 15:54:21 GMT
In my two Z+ accounts, I have
non-ISA - 214 defaulted loans: 3 A*, 3 A1, 7 A2, 13 B, 37 C1, 74 D, 77 E (total of 244 loans, a/c being run down, almost done) ISA - 88 defaulted loans: 3 A*, 2 A2, 9 B, 24 C1, 33 D, 17 E (total of 2491 loans)
The problem I have with running things down is that you get less and less of the relend effect and ultimately leaves the account in bad loans but I understand the sentiments. I accept that point, but with my net results dropping month after month after month in 2018, that's what I decided to do. Going for the "I'm sure the re-lend effect will save me in the end, I'll give it a year or two more" could have lead to even more pain. No way to tell. Just like when you're in shares/funds and they drop (say) 20%. Some will say "it's sure to re-bound, stick with it", so you do and watch it go lower and lower and lower... Clearly, no way to tell in advance what'll happen. My view is - go with my gut and accept any failings are ultimately down to my decisions.
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Post by cb25 on Oct 27, 2018 16:18:53 GMT
non-ISA: 4 A* in total, BUT this account is in run-down, so 3 defaults out of 4 isn't going to be representative ISA: 846 A* in total, hence about 0.35%
I would simply add the numbers for the two accounts together, treat them as one portfolio, so 6 out of 850 is 0.7%, still a very low default rate. Point to bear in mind is that my non-ISA account started 2018 with thousands of loans in it now around 250. As aju says essentially the bad ones I can't shift.
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Post by newlender on Oct 27, 2018 17:31:51 GMT
Some interesting stats in these posts. Of course, the ISA can be a mix of Core and Plus and I suspect that the % split will skew the figures a lot.
My figures are 3448 loans (90% Core and 10% Z+) with 22 defaults. Default rate 0.64%. Cash lost in defaults (no safeguard) as % of cash invested = 0.93%
So my high Core % seems to bring considerable protection (for the moment).
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Post by aju on Oct 27, 2018 18:18:01 GMT
Some interesting stats in these posts. Of course, the ISA can be a mix of Core and Plus and I suspect that the % split will skew the figures a lot. My figures are 3448 loans (90% Core and 10% Z+) with 22 defaults. Default rate 0.64%. Cash lost in defaults (no safeguard) as % of cash invested = 0.93% So my high Core % seems to bring considerable protection (for the moment). I think you are right it's a matter of balance. I think it would be quite nice if Zopa were to allow us to set the %age in products so that they manage this as I 've noticed recently that if one does not monitor it then in my case 20% Plus in ISA has crept up slowly to over 21%. Okay its not going to make that much difference but it means moving relend on plus to core say for a while and then turning it back when its reset.
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Post by ingenue on Oct 30, 2018 0:36:04 GMT
The problem I have with running things down is that you get less and less of the relend effect and ultimately leaves the account in bad loans... But you do have to withdraw your investment at some point, yes? Are you planning to sell all your loans when that time comes rather than switch off relend and have the funds dribble back over the the course of 5 years?
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Post by aju on Oct 30, 2018 23:54:10 GMT
The problem I have with running things down is that you get less and less of the relend effect and ultimately leaves the account in bad loans... But you do have to withdraw your investment at some point, yes? Are you planning to sell all your loans when that time comes rather than switch off relend and have the funds dribble back over the the course of 5 years? ingenue I guess withdrawal may happen sometime perhaps but I've not taken anything out in the last 10/11 years or so other than the odd goodwill payments for Zopa cokups etc. I am currently redirecting Invest relending over to my ISA so that one is sort of withdrawing the effect on the Invest side will be similar. I'm not sure I would pay to get money out though but then I'm in it for the 5 year terms and relending etc rather than withdrawals from Zopa. Sorry it took so long to answer been out of town visiting for the day ...
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Post by ding on Dec 8, 2018 10:19:55 GMT
I only have one loan that £0.00 has been paid back and that is A*. Hope it is enjoying their car!
Surprised to see my A* defaulter is no longer in arrears. No defaults now, 3 in-arrears.
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