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Post by mrclondon on Oct 29, 2018 19:46:10 GMT
Those affected will likely know that Greyfriars has been a slow motion train crash this year, with administrators finally appointed last week. The administrators proposals document has good news for anyone still with a SIPP or SSAS with Greyfriars Greyfriars managed one of the few SIPPs with links to p2p platforms (Evolution SIPP), although they stopped accepting new money into it 18+ months ago.
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Post by iainz on Nov 20, 2022 11:19:01 GMT
Cross posted from:Possible Compensation (Greyfriars SIPP only I'm afraid) in: the Thincats members only thread
I was contacted by a Claims Management Company who reckon anyone investing in Thincats via a SIPP from Greyfriars Asset Management could get compensation from the FSCS.
Warning: The CMC would take 36% of any compensation
I went to the FCSS site: claims.fscs.org.uk
And went through the pre screening - seems it's for real, in the sense that they know about Greyfriars, who are in trouble with them
They have completed the investigation and are open for claims
There is an online process to go through, seems straightforward enough, though I haven't started a claim yet
Anyone else in the same situation?
Added:
Not keen in going with a CMC, had a chat with FSCS, they can't give any indication of possible success unless I start a claim, but as all facts have to be disclosed, so I don't see anything special the CMC can do that I can't.
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Post by iainz on Nov 20, 2022 11:24:06 GMT
From • P2P Independent Forum > • P2x sites > • General P2x Discussion > SIPPs
There are other Thincats / Greyfriars investors whom this may affect:
Nick Stevio Askrigg Balder? James?
I'll try PMing them to draw thier attention to the thread
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Post by Balder on Nov 21, 2022 8:22:41 GMT
I hope the same will be available for lendy soon as well!
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Post by iainz on Nov 21, 2022 9:08:48 GMT
@balder
Was that Lendy via Greyfriars?
Could be, the case centres around GAM checking the investment - Lendy/Thincats/any other P2P is suitable for a SIPP
Iain
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Post by nick on Nov 21, 2022 11:47:33 GMT
Cross posted from:Possible Compensation (Greyfriars SIPP only I'm afraid) in: the Thincats members only thread
I was contacted by a Claims Management Company who reckon anyone investing in Thincats via a SIPP from Greyfriars Asset Management could get compensation from the FSCS.
Warning: The CMC would take 36% of any compensation
I went to the FCSS site: claims.fscs.org.uk
And went through the pre screening - seems it's for real, in the sense that they know about Greyfriars, who are in trouble with them
They have completed the investigation and are open for claims
There is an online process to go through, seems straightforward enough, though I haven't started a claim yet
Anyone else in the same situation?
Added:
Not keen in going with a CMC, had a chat with FSCS, they can't give any indication of possible success unless I start a claim, but as all facts have to be disclosed, so I don't see anything special the CMC can do that I can't.
Iain, thanks for your PM giving the heads up. I was approached by lawyers several months back to pursue a FSCS claim against Greyfrairs (SIPP) on a no win no fee basis for 20% (25% when including VAT) on any award. I was (and still am) very skeptical of the chances of a successful claim given I was already heavily invested in the relevant P2P platforms I subsequently invested in via my Greyfrairs SIPP (Lendy, Abl & ReBS) and that that I was a sophisticated experienced investor (ie the fact that I wasn't advised of the risks etc when investing in the SIPP probably wouldn't have affected my decision to invest). I discussed these concerns with the lawyers and was advised despite this, the fact that Greyfrairs did not ensure I was appropriately advised would still be sufficient grounds for a successful claim and they had recent successes in cases similar to mine. On this basis, I decided to proceed with them. I did briefly consider making my claim directly, but concluded that my case had little merit and didn't want to spend any significant time on it and that the lawyers may be able to frame my claim in way that may increase the chances of success. That was about 3-4 months ago and my claim is still in process (the Greyfrairs administrators have been slow to present info on by investments requested by FSCS who have given them accomodation given the the number of claim/info requests they are currently acting on). However, the FSCS did ask for much greater details of other investments I had at the time and of my investment experience which does not bode well and confirms my initial skepticism - unsurprisingly my lawyers have also become more bearish and managing my expectations down......they needn't of bothered. My bigger concern with the whole saga is that I may be hit with 55% tax on deemed pension withdrawals on the cost value of defaulted debt in my Greyfrairs SIPPs as the SIPP provider that took over Greyfrair's book has itself gone into administration and the assets may be ultimately transferred back to investors if they can't sell the book to someone else. Normally this wouldn't be an issue if you transferred to another SIPP provider, but I'm not aware of other SIPP providers that allow P2P investments and certainty not ones that would allow creation of new accounts at Lendy or Ablrate. Given the only investments in my Greyfrairs SIPP are all basket case loans at Lendy or ones that have defaulted on Abl and ReBS, I might have to fight to get the SIPP administrator to write these down for purposes of transfer value which will be a struggle given the platforms are still carrying the values at cost. Just when I think things can't get any worse than completely writing off your my investments, the potential prospect of further suffering 55% tax on your losses is beyond depressing......
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Post by Balder on Nov 21, 2022 12:06:35 GMT
@balder
Was that Lendy via Greyfriars?
Could be, the case centres around GAM checking the investment - Lendy/Thincats/any other P2P is suitable for a SIPP
Iain
Yes Greyfriars SIPP investing in Lendy
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Post by iainz on Nov 21, 2022 14:45:31 GMT
Briefly, I'll post more when I get a mo
I was skeptical too, the introducer for Oakwood was super-optimistic (of course), when I spoke to Oakwood they were cagey, not giving much away unless I signed up, but they had only dealt with GAM/Portfolio investments (e.g. Portfolio 6), not P2P
Background:
For my case
Plus: Lack of advice, monitoring from GAM
Minus: I too had other P2P so knew risks
Signed "no advice" disclaimer (though that may not count)
When GAM sent the letter about increasing fees, then not accepting new subscriptions etc. I exited and transferred to an SSAS with Whitehall asset management, an SSAS is only available to those with thier own companies - any good to you as a new home, avoiding the withdrawal?
If not, can you defer the tax, once the overinflated "value" realises as much smaller it won't be so bad.
NB My Thincats portfolio is still overoptimistically valued, but administrators are talking of realising loans early - discount for early repayment or writing off no-hopers, so that all could be concluded by late 2023, I'm keeping them uncrystallised untill the true lower value is knowm
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Post by brianlom1 on Nov 21, 2022 22:56:30 GMT
I had a GAM Evolution SIPP and made investments via ReBS, Lundy and Abl (I assume we shouldn't be stating actual company names?) - I managed to transfer my SIPP to Morgan Lloyd before Hartley took over GAM which meant I could continue drawing an income until funds ran dry but it didn't help with the mounting levels of defaults and bad debt.
Having retained the services of a CMC, I lodged a claim with the FSCS back in October 2019 - 3 years later, the investigation remains incomplete.
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Post by iainz on Jan 31, 2023 9:16:21 GMT
I went ahead and made a claim myself (no CMC), it was straightforward
Main grounds for complaint was that from the TC guide it was billed as:
"Fixed Interest at c.9%"
"A Non-Volatile (stable) Investment"
"Relatively Low Risk"
So not accurately described
NB: at the time (2016) I transferred and subscribed, all UK P2P was regulated, so on the question about other investments held, I didn't tick the "Any unregulated investments" box
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Post by stevio on Feb 12, 2023 15:07:32 GMT
I went ahead and made a claim myself (no CMC), it was straightforward
Main grounds for complaint was that from the TC guide it was billed as:
"Fixed Interest at c.9%"
"A Non-Volatile (stable) Investment"
"Relatively Low Risk"
So not accurately described
NB: at the time (2016) I transferred and subscribed, all UK P2P was regulated, so on the question about other investments held, I didn't tick the "Any unregulated investments" box
Thanks Iainz, how did you go about this? was it through the website you referenced earlier?
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Post by iainz on Mar 2, 2023 8:16:54 GMT
Yes, the FSCS site
There has to be a good reason - what has the provider done wrong.
Will post more soon
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Post by brianlom1 on Mar 16, 2023 1:09:19 GMT
My claim remains unresolved but I've heard from other investors whose claims have been upheld so I've not given up hope.
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Post by iainz on May 5, 2023 10:16:29 GMT
I sent in the info they asked for on 11/4/23
Thincats SIPP guide Application forms - Thincats and Evolution Nominal ledger reports, so they could see all the transactions
Just got a call from them to say it was now at the final stage, though they could not say how long it would be until a final decision was made.
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Post by iainz on May 12, 2023 9:14:06 GMT
Another email from FSCS yesterday, they want more info
Not from me, from Hartley, the administrators.
I had given FSCS the Ledger reports in Excel, they are asking Hartley for the same info, presumably to check they match what I gave them.
So I see that as positive sign
Iain
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