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Post by cb25 on Nov 9, 2018 14:04:27 GMT
Spent a few minutes searching the web and I couldn't find any meaningful hit on successful universal basic income.
This link may be of interest -- an initiative put to the Swiss people in 2016 that was emphatically rejected. Cynically, I'm thinking that if 'Overall costs were less than current expenditures' (as Godanubis said) governments would be rushing to implement UBI, as most right-of-centre governments usually want to reduce welfare costs. Very sensible imo if you could get the same benefit for less £s spent.
If 'Tax would rise' is also the case, I wonder if UBI really does cost less. Maybe for the government alone, but not for government+taxpayers.
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Post by Godanubis on Nov 9, 2018 20:57:56 GMT
This link may be of interest -- an initiative put to the Swiss people in 2016 that was emphatically rejected. Cynically, I'm thinking that if 'Overall costs were less than current expenditures' (as Godanubis said) governments would be rushing to implement UBI, as most right-of-centre governments usually want to reduce welfare costs. Very sensible imo if you could get the same benefit for less £s spent.
If 'Tax would rise' is also the case, I wonder if UBI really does cost less. Maybe for the government alone, but not for government+taxpayers.
It is because tax rises and eliminating bureaucracy spreads the cost equally without soviet style government. Individuals have a better basic standard of living to start and can then decide how to spend any additional tax paid income. The reason that it is easier for smaller countries is that infrastructure projects are less costly and higher proportion of population stay in a smaller geographical area ie. Scottish central belt where >60% of population live.
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Post by cb25 on Nov 9, 2018 21:33:22 GMT
Cynically, I'm thinking that if 'Overall costs were less than current expenditures' (as Godanubis said) governments would be rushing to implement UBI, as most right-of-centre governments usually want to reduce welfare costs. Very sensible imo if you could get the same benefit for less £s spent.
If 'Tax would rise' is also the case, I wonder if UBI really does cost less. Maybe for the government alone, but not for government+taxpayers.
It is because tax rises and eliminating bureaucracy spreads the cost equally without soviet style government. Individuals have a better basic standard of living to start and can then decide how to spend any additional tax paid income. The reason that it is easier for smaller countries is that infrastructure projects are less costly and higher proportion of population stay in a smaller geographical area ie. Scottish central belt where >60% of population live. Do you have a link to a write-up of a successful UBI trial?
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Post by Godanubis on Nov 9, 2018 22:41:20 GMT
It is because tax rises and eliminating bureaucracy spreads the cost equally without soviet style government. Individuals have a better basic standard of living to start and can then decide how to spend any additional tax paid income. The reason that it is easier for smaller countries is that infrastructure projects are less costly and higher proportion of population stay in a smaller geographical area ie. Scottish central belt where >60% of population live. Do you have a link to a write-up of a successful UBI trial? I haven’t look for any other trials and the Scottish one is still ongoing Scottish UBI
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