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Post by aju on Nov 1, 2018 9:38:30 GMT
Ok so I usually monitor lending and return rates, I have a spreadsheet monitor I can look at, by viewing the weekly update screen on Zopa. Sadly Zopa removed this screen about 3/4 weeks ago as apparently it may have had some issues and was not accurate for all customers!. It probably will not return I'm informed.
At present Mrs Aju is lending daily new funds from a recently transferred sum of money from an external ISA, I help her to lend only at <£2000 and she tops it up to that limit as it lends out, bit slow but it works. All great so far. But today and yesterday it seems that Zopa Core Matching has stalled somewhat, the odd £10 loan goes out but it has seemed to slow down quite a bit.
So I thought let's look at my lending to see if its affected and it is. I have the Invest set to move returned money over to my ISA product. I also have Plus relending switched to Core, reducing percentages of Plus to Core levels. So in the last 3 days my Core element has started to build up, lending has slowed after all, and at present it's still well beneath the £2000 barrier before the £20 loan kicks in but its more obvious now that weekly update is no longer there and I am having to look in finer detail.
Has anyone else noticed Core lending slow down. I have also seen this in the Weekly Zopa update email as well. Note the new money queue is not slow just the matching. The weekly email suggests that the core matching queue is 5 days and Plus is 6 days but Plus does seem to be lending faster once it's moved to matching from New.
Any thoughts.
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Post by benaj on Nov 1, 2018 10:12:23 GMT
I really don't know aju. According to the weekly update, £89Mil lent in the last 4 weeks, which is higher than lending volume at the end of August (£71.9Mil). The update email claimed I've helped... 10 people fix their roofs, repair their washing machine and restore damage from a leaking boiler 53 techy-types upgrade their gear 30 consumers get some breathing space by paying off their credit cards in full even I haven't lent any money at all. So 93 borrowers borrowed £239k on average from Zopa last week???
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Post by Ace on Nov 1, 2018 10:35:30 GMT
Hi aju, I can't comment on core as all of my Zopa investments are in plus, and I certainly don't monitor Zopa to the same degree that you do, but I have noticed that my "matching" funds have grown recently. They are currently at about 4 day's worth of repayments, in stead of the more usual 2 days. I had assumed that this was most likely due to a rise in the proportion of investors to borrowers. I can't see that this would be anything to be concerned about.
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Post by erniec on Nov 1, 2018 11:45:45 GMT
Given this is affecting Core, it is obviously affecting Plus as well and I can confirm this. Myself and Mrs C each have ordinary and ISA Plus products where there is a build up, over the last few weeks, of unmatched moneys, caused by the repayments exceeding the new loans from this money being set to re-invest. This would seem contrary to the claimed amount of new loans from the weekly update email. The other thing I find strange from the weekly update email is that queuing in Plus is 0 days and 6 days until matched.
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Post by aju on Nov 1, 2018 15:30:41 GMT
Given this is affecting Core, it is obviously affecting Plus as well and I can confirm this. Myself and Mrs C each have ordinary and ISA Plus products where there is a build up, over the last few weeks, of unmatched moneys, caused by the repayments exceeding the new loans from this money being set to re-invest. This would seem contrary to the claimed amount of new loans from the weekly update email. The other thing I find strange from the weekly update email is that queuing in Plus is 0 days and 6 days until matched. The weekly update pages used to give some of this and it was useful to see the splits, it also used to show the monthly total lending amount. The only way to see that is to download the Public file and then use a spreadsheet to see what has been lent out. There are places this info is available but the main one, P2P Banking, but at the moment that does not cover October and also its translated into Euro's as well.
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Post by aju on Nov 1, 2018 15:41:05 GMT
I really don't know aju . According to the weekly update, £89Mil lent in the last 4 weeks, which is higher than lending volume at the end of August (£71.9Mil). The update email claimed I've helped... 10 people fix their roofs, repair their washing machine and restore damage from a leaking boiler 53 techy-types upgrade their gear 30 consumers get some breathing space by paying off their credit cards in full even I haven't lent any money at all. So 93 borrowers borrowed £239k on average from Zopa last week??? I hadn't spotted that 4 week total in there - as I say I've always relied on the Weekly Online Update page that basically gave stats for my lending over the previous 8 weeks or so - it's not there any more so I guess that's one place I can pick up some info. The weekly online though gave the lentout total by weekly rather than 4 weekly - my spreadsheet recreated the 4 weekly data but I guess I could have got it from the email save for it was all otgether in a single page. As for the helped stuff is anyone really interested in that stuff i'd much rather I knew when any "planned" updates might affect me but then that's me I guess. Apparently they stopped email us about PU as it annoyed more people than were interested - so I'm lead to believe.
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Post by aju on Nov 1, 2018 15:58:47 GMT
Hi aju , I can't comment on core as all of my Zopa investments are in plus, and I certainly don't monitor Zopa to the same degree that you do, but I have noticed that my "matching" funds have grown recently. They are currently at about 4 day's worth of repayments, in stead of the more usual 2 days. I had assumed that this was most likely due to a rise in the proportion of investors to borrowers. I can't see that this would be anything to be concerned about. How long have you had all your loans in Plus? - my experience so far has been one of Plus can be a little bit scary with defaults in the 6-18 month Zone - that was the old theory but I'm not sure it follows that anymore. Mind you I get some serious numbers of defaults in some months as shown elsewhere in this forum but nothing like as bad a some people who are more in Plus than me. I am quite cautious in untested waters and I am in this for the lonhaul so I've never taken any profit from Zopa just relent all - compounding is King!. Plus had been generally expected to give worse defaults, some better than others - so I generally favour a percentage of both types. I had been using 10% for Plus but recently have been expanding that out to 20%. ime will tell. Over the last month I have been helping Mrs Aju manually lend out her transferred in ISA so its been a bit more close quarters than the norm. I would usually only do consolidations of data when the month cycle is finished and I have fixed previous months statements data. I wouldn't say I was concerned about the lending rates but if it were to slow down enough for me to have >£1999 in the queues then that would be an issue with my current strategy of keeping diversification of loans to the best I can and way better than Zopa's default 1% - I prefer £10 loans rather than the larger sizes. That said I've been trying this for nearly a year or so and my XIRR rates are diminishing slightly I think. We have been lending quite a bit and that sometimes skews XIRR on the odd occasions when too many - and + items appear (Excel 2007 does have a few bugs I know as well and I have hit them before).
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Post by Ace on Nov 1, 2018 16:42:18 GMT
Hi aju , I can't comment on core as all of my Zopa investments are in plus, and I certainly don't monitor Zopa to the same degree that you do, but I have noticed that my "matching" funds have grown recently. They are currently at about 4 day's worth of repayments, in stead of the more usual 2 days. I had assumed that this was most likely due to a rise in the proportion of investors to borrowers. I can't see that this would be anything to be concerned about. How long have you had all your loans in Plus? - my experience so far has been one of Plus can be a little bit scary with defaults in the 6-18 month Zone - that was the old theory but I'm not sure it follows that anymore. Mind you I get some serious numbers of defaults in some months as shown elsewhere in this forum but nothing like as bad a some people who are more in Plus than me. I am quite cautious in untested waters and I am in this for the lonhaul so I've never taken any profit from Zopa just relent all - compounding is King!. Plus had been generally expected to give worse defaults, some better than others - so I generally favour a percentage of both types. I had been using 10% for Plus but recently have been expanding that out to 20%. ime will tell. Over the last month I have been helping Mrs Aju manually lend out her transferred in ISA so its been a bit more close quarters than the norm. I would usually only do consolidations of data when the month cycle is finished and I have fixed previous months statements data. I wouldn't say I was concerned about the lending rates but if it were to slow down enough for me to have >£1999 in the queues then that would be an issue with my current strategy of keeping diversification of loans to the best I can and way better than Zopa's default 1% - I prefer £10 loans rather than the larger sizes. That said I've been trying this for nearly a year or so and my XIRR rates are diminishing slightly I think. We have been lending quite a bit and that sometimes skews XIRR on the odd occasions when too many - and + items appear (Excel 2007 does have a few bugs I know as well and I have hit them before). I've been lending on Zopa for a little over 8 months, so I'm in your scary zone. I currently have 3.6% profit plus nearly 1% default. I have only ever used the plus product. I don't really get why I would consider the core product when the stats show that, even after allowing for the higher defaults, a bigger profit is achieved in plus. I suppose that there is a belief that core might outperform plus in a recession scenario, but we're not there at the moment. Feel free to gloat and remind me of this when my backside gets well and truly bitten in the coming months 😉 To be honest, I'm not really sure that I will stick with Zopa. It's one of my least favourites out of the 20 platforms that I'm currently trying due to what I perceive as it's relatively low reward to risk ratio. I'm going to give it at least a year to see how it goes, and may well keep some in for diversification reasons.
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Post by aju on Nov 1, 2018 17:46:17 GMT
How long have you had all your loans in Plus? - my experience so far has been one of Plus can be a little bit scary with defaults in the 6-18 month Zone - that was the old theory but I'm not sure it follows that anymore. Mind you I get some serious numbers of defaults in some months as shown elsewhere in this forum but nothing like as bad a some people who are more in Plus than me. I am quite cautious in untested waters and I am in this for the lonhaul so I've never taken any profit from Zopa just relent all - compounding is King!. Plus had been generally expected to give worse defaults, some better than others - so I generally favour a percentage of both types. I had been using 10% for Plus but recently have been expanding that out to 20%. ime will tell. Over the last month I have been helping Mrs Aju manually lend out her transferred in ISA so its been a bit more close quarters than the norm. I would usually only do consolidations of data when the month cycle is finished and I have fixed previous months statements data. I wouldn't say I was concerned about the lending rates but if it were to slow down enough for me to have >£1999 in the queues then that would be an issue with my current strategy of keeping diversification of loans to the best I can and way better than Zopa's default 1% - I prefer £10 loans rather than the larger sizes. That said I've been trying this for nearly a year or so and my XIRR rates are diminishing slightly I think. We have been lending quite a bit and that sometimes skews XIRR on the odd occasions when too many - and + items appear (Excel 2007 does have a few bugs I know as well and I have hit them before). I've been lending on Zopa for a little over 8 months, so I'm in your scary zone. I currently have 3.6% profit plus nearly 1% default. I have only ever used the plus product. I don't really get why I would consider the core product when the stats show that, even after allowing for the higher defaults, a bigger profit is achieved in plus. I suppose that there is a belief that core might outperform plus in a recession scenario, but we're not there at the moment. Feel free to gloat and remind me of this when my backside gets well and truly bitten in the coming months 😉 To be honest, I'm not really sure that I will stick with Zopa. It's one of my least favourites out of the 20 platforms that I'm currently trying due to what I perceive as it's relatively low reward to risk ratio. I'm going to give it at least a year to see how it goes, and may well keep some in for diversification reasons. Gloating is not my aim but I'm happy to oblige when the time comes it may make me feel better when the time comes ... At least you are lending after August/September 2017 which Zopa later made an adjustment in the D/E markets due to miscalculations of expected defaults. Search "Zopa warns over defaults as investor returns decline" in google and select the times article - using this search method should usually bypasses the Times Paywall. Also Zopa comments in this ft article indicate they changed its blend of D/E loans from 30% to 15% after the unexpected increase in defaults from that time. Whilst you were probably not affected by that correction you may find that you can still pick up loans from that lend period that may fail in your book rather than the loanbook of the person who originally borrowed and then sold before it may default. That said it may well be that Zopa will uprate your interest take on purchasing any of these to compensate at the expense of the seller. also as Zopa has changed the blend it should be mitigated anyway. Sorry if that sounds complicated but essentially Zopa made a gaff and changed their blend strategy for future lending. I think the new blend started to land around Feb time this year so generally you would be less affected. The Core product works for me as my strategy is slightly different to many who go for higher returns rates, perhaps not aware of the risks involved. Being retired with sums of money that were in Banks getting fairly decent rates (Current accounts) then moving to Zopa was to maintain rates that can protect my funds from the dreaded inflation tax and a little bit on the top to make it worthwhile. Having also been in P2P for since almost the start of Zopa i've gradually increased my lending as I became more comfortable, relatively speaking of course. That early adopter does help and shows for me as tax payer, Mrs Aju is not paying tax and does not have that fee uplift. (This is where a little foresight might have worked should have signed her up when I did but times were tougher in those days and we were both still toiling for a living so only had spare cash for something that was basically an empirical experiment for us). Oh well that's my view of things so I don't mean to gloat rather show how it has been for some of us invested in the Zopa Plus world. As I reported elsewhere recently here, despite having pretty good XIRR rates some months can be quite scary, Mrs Aju's worst month, Jun 2018, where defaults wiped out 60% of that months interest was a bit of a concern when taken out of context.
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Post by ashtondav on Nov 1, 2018 17:51:00 GMT
I’ve been with big z since 2005, but to be honest if I can get 6.5% with RS and a provision fund why bother? And I certainly wouldn’t bother with 20 platforms - way too much risk. I favour:
RS. Decent rates plus PF FC. Decent rates LW. Decent rates, PF, plus insurance AC. Good 30 day and quick access accounts.
Tried Funding Secure for a year or so. Bl**dy joke! More leaky loans than a colander at poundworld.
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Post by benaj on Nov 1, 2018 18:03:03 GMT
I’ve been with big z since 2005, but to be honest if I can get 6.5% with RS and a provision fund why bother? And I certainly wouldn’t bother with 20 platforms - way too much risk. I favour: RS. Decent rates plus PF FC. Decent rates LW. Decent rates, PF, plus insurance AC. Good 30 day and quick access accounts. Tried Funding Secure for a year or so. Bl**dy joke! More leaky loans than a colander at poundworld. To be fair, even with Zopa Core, it beats FTSE 100 & 250 Index 1 yr performance today.
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Post by Ace on Nov 1, 2018 21:00:21 GMT
I’ve been with big z since 2005, but to be honest if I can get 6.5% with RS and a provision fund why bother? And I certainly wouldn’t bother with 20 platforms - way too much risk. I favour: RS. Decent rates plus PF FC. Decent rates LW. Decent rates, PF, plus insurance AC. Good 30 day and quick access accounts. Tried Funding Secure for a year or so. Bl**dy joke! More leaky loans than a colander at poundworld. I concur with most of that, but don't understand why you consider that investing in a greater number of platforms would equate to higher risk. My thinking was that it would equate to a lower risk since any one platform going pop wouldn't result in a large loss. My intention was to reduce the number of platforms after a year, once I head decided on my favourites. However, I think I may find this hard as I am genuinely enjoying the p2p experience. Some may say I've become addicted! Like you, I'm happy with LW, RS and AC (though only use the MLA on AC as I got worried by over-allocation to certain loans in the other accounts). Can't quite make my mind up on FC. I have several accounts with them and the performance is quite varied, but probably a bit early to decide. I did decide to pull out of RS a few months back due to low rates on the 5 year market, but then rates rose sharply and I reversed my decision. I think that Lendy is the only platform that I've tried that I'm fully exciting from. Thanks to comments on this platform, including yours, I've managed to avoid FS. Since colanders are designed to leak, surely a colander from Poundland wouldn't leak much at all! 😉
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Post by erniec on Nov 2, 2018 9:31:52 GMT
Well, yesterday was another day where the repayments were greater than new matched loans in our accounts. Unmatched money is now around 1.7% of total. I suspect that this week’s email will show queuing and matching times going outwards. I think it’ll possibly be 0 or 1 for queuing time and above 8 for matching. My best estimates of returns over all our accounts is around 3.4% when Zopa suggest 4.8%. I am currently considering whether to move money away from Zopa to RateSetter where currently 5% and above is easily achievable in the 1 year product.
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Post by aju on Nov 2, 2018 11:26:43 GMT
Well, yesterday was another day where the repayments were greater than new matched loans in our accounts. Unmatched money is now around 1.7% of total. I suspect that this week’s email will show queuing and matching times going outwards. I think it’ll possibly be 0 or 1 for queuing time and above 8 for matching. My best estimates of returns over all our accounts is around 3.4% when Zopa suggest 4.8%. I am currently considering whether to move money away from Zopa to RateSetter where currently 5% and above is easily achievable in the 1 year product. I think I said above that my Invest side moving returns to ISA side and it would seem the amounts are mounting daily. What's odd is that although the Invest side is not meant to be lending anything I noticed today that £6.75 is stuck in matching to borrowers - I thought I had moved all cash out of the Invest queues a week or two ago. Nothing as far as I can tell has been lent in Invest since I turned it off either. Just check ISA loanbook and it does look like it stalled after the 26th but seems to have started up again yesterday although still not very much on a day to day basis. My current build up in the Core side is Repayments £134.93 Matching to borrowers £194.74 and it has gone down a bit so I guess it would need quite a bit of time to get to 1999 and then trigger £20 loans so I think i'm ok. I'll monitor it for a few days and then ignore it I think.
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Post by erniec on Nov 2, 2018 14:55:18 GMT
My understanding is that, if the unmatched amount was to reach £2000, this would NOT trigger £20 microloans, as the £2000 is distributed throughout the lending queue.
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