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Post by j on Sept 19, 2014 15:14:01 GMT
6%, 6 mths, 70% ltv
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Post by j on Sept 19, 2014 16:31:51 GMT
Some points, having read report:
-drawdown time, considering only 6mth loan -PG, to me, meaningless, as report does not indicate how borrower makes living/other source of income to base PG on -fees seem very high (circa 23%, that's after our interest deduction, if I calculated correctly!). Would like a breakdown of fees! I do not begrudge agents getting what their efforts deserve, but this seems very high for a fairly small loan of £152k
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Post by jjc on Sept 19, 2014 17:13:20 GMT
Not all hugely clear to me.
Some queries/concerns: - big diff (30%) in the 2 valuations made. Either the one last year was well over-rosy (in which case why mention it in the CR?) or something has happened in the commercial space market in the Stansted area this year, or prices/demand for these 2 specific properties (converted barns, could be very nice or could be a tad shabby - hard to tell from the 1 car-park pic) is somewhat lumpy. - RMV (6 months) from De Villiers is 235k (so LTV 83%..) - could the Natwest-borrower issue impact on lenders in some way (eg if sale is not made in 6 months, & the loan has to be extended/refinanced)? The CR is not clear on what the dispute between them was about (the 675k mortgage he has? & if so what's it on? or a loan taken on these 2 properties?), so not clear to me what any poss impact could be. Lenders are said to have a 1st charge, which would suggest that either Natwest have waived their charge in our favour (would they really so easily?) or the dispute was on a loan/mortgage on something else. Just guessing, but if it's on the 675k mortgage he has on his home say & he doesn't manage to sell these 2 units in 6 months (possible as we know with BL's in lumpy markets), could the bank conceivably force a quick sale (at a level close to the RMV quoted)?
Am hoping there are no big underlying issues here, but if the CR had been drafted up more clearly twould have been helpful.
Just my tuppence
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Post by batchoy on Sept 19, 2014 17:39:35 GMT
Hmmm, close to the M25 and the ports I think not, and I actually find this part of the Security statement grossly misleading. I live nearer to the M25 than these properties and at half an hours drive 90% of which is on the motorway I don't consider it close and I have to say given the location I am dubious about some of the claims about the ability to sell/find occupants for the property. Still I am in the area on Sunday so I may just have a nose around and a look in a few estate agents' windows so until then I shall refrain from putting in a bid.
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Post by j on Sept 19, 2014 18:10:56 GMT
Hmmm, close to the M25 and the ports I think not, and I actually find this part of the Security statement grossly misleading. I live nearer to the M25 than these properties and at half an hours drive 90% of which is on the motorway I don't consider it close and I have to say given the location I am dubious about some of the claims about the ability to sell/find occupants for the property. Still I am in the area on Sunday so I may just have a nose around and a look in a few estate agents' windows so until then I shall refrain from putting in a bid. batchoy, can you kindly report back here with your findings if you do visit the area? I also find the £10k difference between the predicted rent (£42k) & actual £32k too wide. There are too many whys & ifs to make this a clear cut BL loan (have we had one yet as most have defaulted). One has the feeling a buyer will not be found within 6 months & problems will arise from then onwards. The only comfort is that AC will retain interest from outset, but then again drawdown time might put another dampener on that
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Post by j on Sept 19, 2014 18:11:50 GMT
PS 3.9% funded already, despite a sketchy CR!
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Post by mrclondon on Sept 19, 2014 18:18:37 GMT
Anybody remember the dim and distant past ? The time when very similiar bridging loans on AC filled in less than 5 minutes. Was that really less than 12 months ago ?
Even before I start the level of DD of the earlier posts, I feel flat. I have the shadow bid capacity, and indeed a loan in which I had a decent position repaid (early) today. But somehow the AC "experience" of recent weeks leaves me unenthusiastic.
This one doesn't seem to be flying out the door, so perhaps I am not alone. Some contrast to SS which filled a much larger bridging loan (and one with question marks over the exact security at that) in around 12 hours overnight in the last week.
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Post by batchoy on Sept 19, 2014 18:39:44 GMT
Anybody remember the dim and distant past ? The time when very similiar bridging loans on AC filled in less than 5 minutes. Was that really less than 12 months ago ? Even before I start the level of DD of the earlier posts, I feel flat. I have the shadow bid capacity, and indeed a loan in which I had a decent position repaid (early) today. But somehow the AC "experience" of recent weeks leaves me unenthusiastic. This one doesn't seem to be flying out the door, so perhaps I am not alone. Some contrast to SS which filled a much larger bridging loan (and one with question marks over the exact security at that) in around 12 hours overnight in the last week. Ahh those heady days. I have to say I know the feeling, one of the things that is leaving me unenthusiastic is the number of flaws/inadequacies that have appeared in the AC platform and back office as loans have matured and gone awry, and the lack of the much promised new website which is the supposed cure all.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Sept 19, 2014 22:24:25 GMT
The most common size of bid I'd guess is about £200. Lenders are having a care bidding.
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Post by baz657 on Sept 19, 2014 22:57:13 GMT
I knew the area very well until I moved further North six years ago but still have many friends there and prices have been high and stable. Fully agree in regard to the closeness on the M25 (which locals try to avoid whenever possible) and the ports (unless Stansted is counted as an airport?) but logistics probably wouldn't be a top concern to the type of business/person interested in a small office with limited parking.
I've also had to deal with banks and their having to deal with an ombudsman decision which didn't go their way. They are as bad as insurance companies when it comes to getting your money out of them. Which funnily enough was the reason I went for a loan from FC and found out about P2P. Their loss now.
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Post by batchoy on Sept 22, 2014 9:15:27 GMT
Went looked, ended up with more questions some which I have asked in the Q&A, though I have to say even with answers this is probably not one for me.
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Post by bugs4me on Sept 22, 2014 9:21:14 GMT
Things may become a little clearer once AC answer the small backlog of relevant questions being raised. Until then......
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 22, 2014 11:23:25 GMT
I note that the stated LTV is 70%, but that is based on the customary marketing period. With a restricted marketing period of 180 days the valuation is just £235k, and using that value produces a LTV of 83%. Since this is a six-month loan and exit is via sale of the property, unless the borrower is prepared to sell at a discount to achieve the sale within the term, this looks like a good candidate for a failure to repay within the term. [Especially as we know this has happened with the borrower's existing loan.]
An LTV of 83% strikes me as getting rather high, but perhaps it shouldn't be concerning since the interest is retained in advance, although it isn't clear to me from the Credit Report whether the retained interest is six months' worth or only enough to cover the minimum loan term of three months..
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Post by kermie on Sept 23, 2014 18:36:13 GMT
Blink. And it's gone! Some quite large bids (£79k...from one lender) snapped that up quick-smart today.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Sept 23, 2014 22:07:03 GMT
That'll teach me to say, "no rush....that'll take another few days to fill", then go offline for four hours. Never mind. Wouldn't surprise me if that £70K + investor dumps some later. Could be a useful "12% holding account" to be dripped back in as and when funds need to be spread around. Smallish loan. Not many people got it, so easy to sell in small lumps. Good ploy??
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