agent69
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Post by agent69 on Sept 21, 2014 9:13:14 GMT
However, the real issue on this thread is why ...... you would recommend FC to anyone, let alone close friends and family.
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Post by goldservice on Sept 21, 2014 11:16:52 GMT
2.75% actually! However most, if not all, of the SM bid_bots are only buying to resell for a fast buck .. Writing a bid_bot for buy-to-hold would be ridiculous unless you plan to hold megapounds worth. Ergo most, if not all, SM bid_bots won't ever buy 3% markup parts. This sounds logical but it seems to be a fact that tasty parts are snapped up too fast to allow transfers even at 3%. A buy-to-keep bot runner need not stash millions - they could just cherry pick the very highest rates. Also, they may be acting for more than just themselves - some lenders have names like businesses … You only need one buy-bot that is buying at high rates, and is buying to keep, to lose the part you are trying to transfer. I said on 16 August: "I attempted a similar transfer early in July as an experiment to see if account transfers were feasible. I was as quick as possible to switch to the other account to buy the part back but it had already gone - to timec**e. It was high rate but only £14 so the experiment was worthwhile in that it told me what to avoid doing. I sold it at 3% premium so timec**e must be buying to keep as well as to flip." Perhaps it is time to try the experiment again. GSV: to test your assertion, would you like to offer up a sacrificial tasty part at 3%? (I'm assuming that you have another account you could use). Other volunteers? bonfemme - can you say what the buyer rate was on your sale? And what was the highest premium you tried?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 21, 2014 12:10:33 GMT
All my tasty parts are already on offer at 3% markup. eg 7449, an A+ at 10.3%. 8>. Still there last time I looked.
I find that there are a few dedicated buyers who will hoover up a lot of them, when they notice them, but their response times are way too long for them to be bots (unless they are running on a TRS 80 or something). Offer anything at a rate which permits a profit vs the next cheapest parts on the market (eg offer that A+ with 2% markup, or at par, when the best buy is 10.3%) and the bots will indeed rip your arm off (most of the time). Parts at par (auto-sale, typically) are hoovered at an incredible rate - usually. Sometimes the bots are broke (some seem to get weekends off, but those are perhaps the primary market bid-bots, who know there are no new auctions or early closes over the weekend).
Yes, 3% bargain parts will get bought, but I don't think it's bots doing it, you should be able to do a transfer that way. <2.5% bargain parts will get bought faster, and the bots are definitely in there. Of course if you are moving parts which are already present on the market it's less of a problem - someone buys your 3% markup part that you wanted to transfer, you just retaliate by buying someone's 2.5% markup part instead. 8>.
PS 'just cherry pick the very highest rates' still doesn't justify a bot - once you have spent your £100k or whatever, your bot is useless (fairly useless, I guess it can still handle the interest and repayment trickle). If you can flip the parts at a profit, your bot can make more money every day. Using it on someone else's behalf is a definite no-no, although I suppose investing pooled funds that way (hence back into the millions) might be acceptable. [If you buy and flip from the primary market, a bot can make money every day too .. the key is being able to get your investment back out, at a profit .. buying at 3% you can't].
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Post by goldservice on Sept 21, 2014 12:48:13 GMT
GSV: "Yes, 3% bargain parts will get bought, but I don't think it's bots doing it, you should be able to do a transfer that way." Go on then - show us!-)
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 21, 2014 13:31:07 GMT
I thought I just did. 7449. Actually I think I can transfer some at 2.8%, if you want some. That's my best offer right now.
Back on original topic, Nikta**9 is a 2014 buyer, but only buys around par... I guess that one may be a SM buy/flip bot. If it is, it doesn't want marked up parts, unless you know differently.
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Post by wysiati on Sept 21, 2014 13:41:43 GMT
I thought I just did. 7449. Actually I think I can transfer some at 2.8%, if you want some. That's my best offer right now. Back on original topic, Nikta**9 is a 2014 buyer, but only buys around par... I guess that one may be a SM buy/flip bot. If it is, it doesn't want marked up parts, unless you know differently. It buys at >= +2% too. Can be a useful dump site for unwanted/poor relative value loan parts to free up funds (does buy lps with principal value in the £ hundreds).
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Post by goldservice on Sept 21, 2014 14:16:32 GMT
I thought I just did. 7449. Actually I think I can transfer some at 2.8%, if you want some. That's my best offer right now. OK but by a 'tasty part' I was thinking 12+%. 7449 was an early closer at 12.3%. Suppose I had bought £600 @ 12.3% and now wanted to transfer half of that to my spouse's account. Would you dare to try that? I wouldn't. I shall look for a tasty low value part and do another test.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 21, 2014 20:43:56 GMT
Yes, I'd dare do that at a 3% markup, which would keep Nikita1** off my case .. as I said, I have several parts for sale at 2.8%-3% and the buy bots don't want them. If there was a profit to be made flipping them, they'd probably have gone, but there isn't.
But I do agree, a 'safe' transfer without the .25% fee would be welcome for people moving things around the family, and if/when an ISA option appears.
(actually the parts I have for sale are 12.5%, before the markup, .. however they are still not showing up on the SM. Bummer!! Maybe the buy bots do want them but can't see them. 8>.)
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Post by bonfemme on Sept 22, 2014 6:05:26 GMT
Thanks for all the replies. Bracknell Boy: Thanks for your suggestion, and maybe the only way round this is to give them back the premiums, but I know they wouldn’t feel comfortable taking money from me. Goldservice: The most recent parts bought by this person were 14.1; 14.1; 14.5, 14.2; 14.2; (annoyingly, the last two were very early this morning when I thought I’d have another go when things were quiet). I should have known better. Planetx: Yes, of course anyone is entitled to pay the asking price. But it’s not a level playing field when only a select few are getting the chance to buy at the asking price. So, if you can’t beat them, join them I suppose. Where can I get a buy bot?
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Post by goldservice on Sept 22, 2014 7:07:28 GMT
Goldservice: The most recent parts bought by this person were 14.1; 14.1; 14.5, 14.2; 14.2; (annoyingly, the last two were very early this morning when I thought I’d have another go when things were quiet). Can you tell us the premia you set for those parts? Thanks.
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Post by bonfemme on Sept 22, 2014 8:46:15 GMT
I usually add .2pc or .3pc - just enough to cover my selling fee.
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Post by wysiati on Sept 22, 2014 9:26:42 GMT
Thanks for all the replies. Planetx: Yes, of course anyone is entitled to pay the asking price. But it’s not a level playing field when only a select few are getting the chance to buy at the asking price. So, if you can’t beat them, join them I suppose. Where can I get a buy bot? Looking only at this issue you may better off for the time being with Assetz capital. It has at least made a stab at levelling the playing field for those who find themselves the wrong side of the 'second digital divide' by providing some autoinvest options which, although clearly not perfect, embarrass the FC offering.
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Post by goldservice on Sept 23, 2014 5:43:37 GMT
Encouraged by GSV, and notwithstanding my contrary experience in July, this morning I successfully transferred a loan part to my spouse's account: loan 5345, part £18.67, rate 14.1%, premium 3%, buyer rate 12.6%. It took one or two seconds, flipping between browsers, refreshing target screen, listing the parts but no-one swooped in to buy it. I would still feel reluctant to rely on this. If I wanted to transfer a lot, I'd do it one part at a time. I guess the 3% premium is essential, too.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 23, 2014 7:44:32 GMT
Possibly any premium over 2.6% would do .. Ie no profit left; or maybe even lower if there are parts on the market at high enough rates already, but 3% is a safe bet.
There ARE buyers for 3% markup parts, but I think they are human, so probably sleep sometimes.
Anyway,, well done and good luck!!
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