itsnotme
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Post by itsnotme on Nov 10, 2018 13:35:51 GMT
Why 12% and not 8%? Or 18%?
How would you or me or those that have already chucked in 2m GBP actually be able to evaluate this singular offer?
It looks like a research project trying to enter the real world.
Has there been anything comparable around in the past?
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on Nov 12, 2018 11:09:29 GMT
comparable would be the C***** R********* G********** - you money will be used as development money. there are different (greater) risks involved than in say refinancing existing electricity/income producing assets - which you can do on the primary market or on the marketplace. The advantage of the marketplace is that you can buy now and benefit from instant ownership and quicker interest payments. I will put some money into the Orkney venture but not for a few weeks yet as it slowly fills. The 12% interest (rolled up I would imagine) is commensurate with the risks involved I would imagine.
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Post by jj on Nov 12, 2018 11:21:30 GMT
Interesting link below:- Hope it helps with the drawdown of the loan.
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itsnotme
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Post by itsnotme on Nov 22, 2018 14:30:36 GMT
comparable would be the C***** R********* G********** - you money will be used as development money. there are different (greater) risks involved than in say refinancing existing electricity/income producing assets - which you can do on the primary market or on the marketplace. The advantage of the marketplace is that you can buy now and benefit from instant ownership and quicker interest payments. I will put some money into the Orkney venture but not for a few weeks yet as it slowly fills. The 12% interest (rolled up I would imagine) is commensurate with the risks involved I would imagine. Thanks. I spoke with an Offshore Wind expert. He says that Orkney area has future given the high water velocity there. He couldn't really say much about the sort of floating new turbine technology. Very early stage. On the other hand it looks like the project (or predecessors) got millions (EU) funding over the years.
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Post by itsnotme on Nov 22, 2018 14:36:15 GMT
Interesting link below:- Hope it helps with the drawdown of the loan.
Thanks. The link goes to the bbc entrance page. There is a BBC article with "tidal turbine generating 'phenomenal result'" in the title. Google finds it. That one has further potentially useful links. At the moment it looks like the offer may not fill. Just 50% after months. Abundance is not the only p2p/crowd site with problems filling loans that size.
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on Nov 22, 2018 14:45:41 GMT
It's a huge placement - I am surprised that they have had so much invested so far - but I think that they have managed to get high net worth individuals and institutions to invest. It's a shame you can't see who else is investing and how much they are putting in like you could once (maybe still?) see on FundingCircle.
I think I'll wait until it's 90% full before depositing money into it - 12% is a lot less if the loan doesn't drawdown until the new year.
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Post by corto on Dec 20, 2018 10:57:48 GMT
Still at 86% only
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Post by dzo on Dec 20, 2018 19:13:01 GMT
It's actually been shooting up in the last week or so. It was stuck around 60% for ages.
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Post by corto on Dec 20, 2018 20:13:36 GMT
closure date was 17th Dec apparently extended
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Post by corto on Jan 1, 2019 20:28:56 GMT
closed now
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on Jan 3, 2019 9:38:51 GMT
I'm a bit surprised how well it finished! I was intending to invest three lump sums in totally around £12,000 but I only was able to make two of them because it just filled so quickly whilst I was enjoying Christmas/New Year!
I was expecting an email or post from Abundance to say that it was 9X% filled - but nothing came.
The other investment that is open is filling rapidly. I'll need to have a closer look to see if it's worth the punt...
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on May 9, 2022 7:06:10 GMT
Good news from this O*****l project. They have got a plan in place to repay the debentures by the end of June through a mixture of using new investors money and giving the option to existing debenture holders to rollover their investment at a new 6% interest rate. Which doesn't excite me too much but probably reflects the lower risk. Seems like full steam ahead.
I am unsure if I'll quit while I'm ahead on this - the balloon payment if about 50p interest on every pound I have invested (and bought on the marketplace) makes this quite a big payday.
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on May 21, 2022 10:11:43 GMT
The Or***Al loan parts have been removed from the marketplace in expectation that the new debenture will be listed soon. Pay out is scheduled for end of June which will be nice for Abundance and me - since successful on-time exits haven't been the norm.
New loan should have a 6% coupon - which is perhaps commensurate with risk but doesn't seem too good a deal given inflation is above that.
I have not decided if I'll quit while I'm ahead or reinvest. Maybe a 50/50 split.
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Post by nbk on May 21, 2022 11:28:12 GMT
Agree - the 6% coupon is a little bit low ( a re-occurring theme now on some of the latest Abundance offers). While I think Orbital is a great company and doing exactly the kind of innovation that I'd like to support, then with rising interest rates / inflation this offer is less attractive. Additionally, reading the offer document, the interest is flatlined all the way through the 12 years, and so most interest is essentially back loaded with respect to capital. So for the first 6 years, the interest actually paid comes nowhere near the 6% (~3.4% for Yr1, 3.6% for Yr 2 etc) - you'll have to keep hold of this until the very end of the loan to get the full payback, which is even worse in the coming economic environment. I have some in my SIPP and in ISA - think maybe I'll re-invest a bit from my SIPP (I can't get the funds out from there yet anyway), but not so sure about what's in my ISA.
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on May 21, 2022 13:32:54 GMT
I haven't read the offer document. I'll pour myself a large Highland Park and dig in to it tonight. Constant interest on a declining balance is a real thinker...
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