delboy
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Post by delboy on Feb 22, 2019 18:29:57 GMT
Brits born after the first referendum have little concept of the term sovereignty did not experience the mission creep of previous administrations from a trading contract to some sort of European Empire. One really cant expect them to know of anything different. If you scratch away the media chatter from the original CM members you will find there is no appetite for the present situation. Most people on this site are here to make money. Me to ,but voting for a clean break from Brussels will provide a self determination and focus that has been fudged for too long. Clean break, no deal please asap. I'm on the best of terms with all countries and wish them well. We all know you think this because you have repeated it over and over again. But from your own earlier posts we know you are a pensioner living on a farm which you implied was practically self sufficient and inter alia that you do not care about the economic damage to employers and companies who actually contribute to the economy. So you have the luxury of taking the position that "self determination" is the only important thing and damn the consequences. But others don't. I always find it’s very dangerous territory to make judgements on someone else’s principles and view of the world based on the little information you know about their personal circumstances. This is akin to the socialist arguments that wealthy, educated politicians can’t possibly make sensible decisions about matters impacting on the poor, and why Prime Ministers walk around in waders during floods to prove their empathy rather than properly managing the major incident.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 22, 2019 18:44:11 GMT
Not the case at all, @delboy. All this came out probably between pages 45 and 55. Check it out. I'm just bored with people who post the same thing over and over again.
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Post by travolta on Feb 22, 2019 21:39:02 GMT
Not the case at all, @delboy. All this came out probably between pages 45 and 55. Check it out. I'm just bored with people who post the same thing over and over again. Jeez Overconfident , FYI my pension is £567 per month . I don't live on a farm and shop @ Harry Tuffins, a local independent supermarket I'm sorry you are bored by some one who has greater life experience than you . For my part I do find you quite entertaining .
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Post by aju on Feb 23, 2019 0:32:30 GMT
I've spent that last few days reading this thread and I've finally come to the conclusion that ...
I agree with Nick! but I think "We're doomed Mr Mainwaring, We're doomed" ....
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 25, 2019 19:58:21 GMT
Anyone got anything new to say? The big Season 1 climax episode is scheduled for Wednesday. Who will live and who will be worm food? Personally I'm bored with the main characters and I hope they all get wiped out in a freak lightning strike. This series needs a new cast for S2 with better superpowers than Robot Woman and 70's Man. Or they should cancel the whole thing.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 25, 2019 20:03:30 GMT
Anyone got anything new to say? The big Season 1 climax episode is scheduled for Wednesday. Who will live and who will be worm food? Personally I'm bored with the main characters and I hope they all get wiped out in a freak lightning strike. This series needs a new cast for S2 with better superpowers than Robot Woman and 70's Man. Or they should cancel the whole thing. Well. as I've been saying to anyone who will listen for some time now, we aren't leaving on 29th March. I even have a pint riding on it in the pub. But that probably doesn't count as new.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 25, 2019 23:02:35 GMT
travolta, i have looked deep into my soul and like Lucy in A Room With A View, i realise that I feel deep affection for you. You are admirable and a good and sweet person.
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Post by cb25 on Feb 26, 2019 9:29:02 GMT
Anyone got anything new to say? The big Season 1 climax episode is scheduled for Wednesday. Who will live and who will be worm food? Personally I'm bored with the main characters and I hope they all get wiped out in a freak lightning strike. This series needs a new cast for S2 with better superpowers than Robot Woman and 70's Man. Or they should cancel the whole thing. Well. as I've been saying to anyone who will listen for some time now, we aren't leaving on 29th March. That's my feeling as well. I certainly wouldn't bet any money on us leaving then.
I think the political conversation in Labour and the Tories has switched from 'what do we say about Brexit' to 'what Brexit strategy leaves us with most of our party intact, regardless of how voters respond'.
Rumours yesterday that May may today announce no-deal is 'off the table', not because she thinks it makes sense as a negotiating strategy with the EU, but in order to stop a number of remainer-MPs leaving the cabinet. Risk: loss of Tory hard-Brexit voters at the next election (but where can they go?). See "Theresa May is facing the threat of a revolt by Remain-supporting ministers ... The BBC's Nick Watt says the feeling is Mrs May will "lean into" their demands and Brexiteers have been told to expect a "very difficult message" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47365645
Corbyn's announcement that Labour might/would support a second referendum was considered by a number of commentators yesterday as being driven not by conviction, but in order to stop Labour MPs defecting to TIG. Risk: loss of Labour Leave voters at the next election (estimated by various commentators as 40% or 5m of Labour voters). "And it's awkward for the many Labour MPs, including some in the shadow cabinet, who believe that holding another vote would be a mistake." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47365647
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Post by copacetic on Feb 26, 2019 10:59:37 GMT
I wonder what the campaign slogan will be if Labour gets their way on a second referendum. Attachments:
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Post by cb25 on Feb 26, 2019 12:44:05 GMT
"Theresa May has promised MPs a vote on ruling out a no-deal Brexit or delaying the UK's departure, if they reject her deal next month.
The prime minister said she will put her withdrawal agreement - including any changes she has agreed with the EU - to a meaningful vote on 12 March.
If that fails, MPs will be offered two separate votes:
-One, on 13 March, on whether MPs support a no-deal Brexit - so the UK would "only leave without a deal on 29 March if there is explicit consent in the House for that outcome"
-If that fails, then MPs will get a vote the following day on requesting an extension to the two-year Article 50 negotiation process to delay EU withdrawal beyond 29 March
She said an extension "cannot take no deal off the table", adding: "The only way to do that is to revoke Article 50, which I shall not do, or agree a deal."
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"May says she wants to make three further commitments.
First, she will hold a “meaningful vote” on a deal by Tuesday 12 March.
Second, if the government does not win that vote, it will table a motion to be voted on by 13 March at the latest asking MPs if they approve leaving the EU with no deal.
Third, if MPs reject leaving with no deal in that vote, she will give them a vote on 14 March on whether parliament wants a short, limited extension to article 50. If MPs pass that motion, the government will seek to get that extension."
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Post by travolta on Feb 26, 2019 17:03:11 GMT
In theory Mrs May does not need the approval of Parliament in order to leave the EU (yes, I know you are aware of this). As PM she doesn't even need her Cabinet on board. A pity she is such a good moral lady ….I'm willing to bet she would have too many scruples to muck around with P2P and dodgy deals.....
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 26, 2019 19:30:47 GMT
In theory Mrs May does not need the approval of Parliament in order to leave the EU (yes, I know you are aware of this). As PM she doesn't even need her Cabinet on board. A pity she is such a good moral lady ….I'm willing to bet she would have too many scruples to muck around with P2P and dodgy deals..... But she does need the agreement of the other 27 EU members in order to extend A50. I'm far fro 100% convinced that such agreement will be forthcoming without either a) a firm proposal of what we want from a revised deal which can be shown to have the backing of Parliament or b) a commitment to go back to the country (and hence a rationale for why "more time" is needed). I don't believe she will be in a position to deliver a) and I don't think she is prepared to do b).
TM continues on her merry way to string timelines out. So now we have a vote on 12th, followed by a potential vote on the 13th and another on the 14th. Why on earth can't all 3 be on the 12th ....... of course she isn't running the clock down.
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Post by registerme on Feb 26, 2019 20:43:57 GMT
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Post by martin44 on Feb 26, 2019 21:48:24 GMT
I wonder what the campaign slogan will be if Labour gets their way on a second referendum. If this proposal goes through parliament it will be the most divisive decision made since Maggies Poll tax...... civil unrest could be on the cards, labours proposals are to thwart brexit , nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 26, 2019 23:30:23 GMT
I wonder what the campaign slogan will be if Labour gets their way on a second referendum. If this proposal goes through parliament it will be the most divisive decision made since Maggies Poll tax...... civil unrest could be on the cards, labours proposals are to thwart brexit , nothing more, nothing less. Au contraire - if people want May's deal - the only deal in town - they would be able to vote for it in a referendum. Unrest because people are given an informed choice on May's deal and can vote for it if that's the Brexit they want? Really? That would be bizarre. So no, the Labour party can't thwart Brexit, only the people themselves can. However, impose a no deal Brexit (the only other option available) without popular consent (which isn't there) and then you may well see civil unrest.
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